Who benefits most from the Zimbabwe coup?

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Who benefits most from the Zimbabwe coup?

Post by neverfail » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:43 pm

Why, China of course!

http://www.atimes.com/article/coup-zimb ... china-now/

Any of you armchair liberal romantics out there who hallucinate that this is the end of tyranny/rebirth of democracy in this corner of Africa; ushering in a bright future for the country ought to think again. They do not nickname Mugabe's imminent replacement "the crocodile" for no reason.

This is Africa: where he who plunders most richly stays on top.

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Re: Who benefits most from the Zimbabwe coup?

Post by Jim the Moron » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:21 pm

neverfail wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:43 pm
Why, China of course!

http://www.atimes.com/article/coup-zimb ... china-now/

Any of you armchair liberal romantics out there who hallucinate that this is the end of tyranny/rebirth of democracy in this corner of Africa; ushering in a bright future for the country ought to think again. They do not nickname Mugabe's imminent replacement "the crocodile" for no reason.

This is Africa: where he who plunders most richly stays on top.
Yes, many African countries are headed up by kleptocratic governments, whose honchos learned their trade from observing the centuries-long looting of African resources by European colonial powers.

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Re: Who benefits most from the Zimbabwe coup?

Post by Milo » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:06 pm

However, the transfer of power seems to be a bit more organized than most of their peers.

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Re: Who benefits most from the Zimbabwe coup?

Post by neverfail » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:56 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:21 pm
neverfail wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:43 pm
Why, China of course!

http://www.atimes.com/article/coup-zimb ... china-now/

Any of you armchair liberal romantics out there who hallucinate that this is the end of tyranny/rebirth of democracy in this corner of Africa; ushering in a bright future for the country ought to think again. They do not nickname Mugabe's imminent replacement "the crocodile" for no reason.

This is Africa: where he who plunders most richly stays on top.
Yes, many African countries are headed up by kleptocratic governments, whose honchos learned their trade from observing the centuries-long looting of African resources by European colonial powers.
In the case of Zimbabwe, what looting of resources are you talking about? The old white Rhodesian settlers built the country up from nothing. - Had it not been for 2 or 3 generations of their enterprise and commitment, there would have been nothing there for Mugabe to take over. They made it into a country worth having. Mugabe and cronies has since squandered, abused and dissipated the fruits of all their good work.

You cannot blame the sins of the colonial rulers of yore for the even worse rapacity of the native kleptocrats who have inherited stewardship of the continent since the European powers made up their mind that they no longer wanted to shoulder the white man's burden there.

Rhodesia is not, and never was, the Belgian Congo! So Jim, ' please ease up on your guilt by association spin!

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Re: Who benefits most from the Zimbabwe coup?

Post by Doc » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:16 am

Mugabe just resigned.
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Re: Who benefits most from the Zimbabwe coup?

Post by neverfail » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:44 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... -zimbabwe/

Emmerson Mnangagwa: can The Crocodile cease being a predatory reptile to become a cuddly vegetarian? A leopard could likely change his spots a lot more easily.

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Re: Who benefits most from the Zimbabwe coup?

Post by SteveFoerster » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:21 pm

The Who said it best: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

Besides, I'm disappointed that Mugabe didn't get Ceaușescued. He certainly earned it.
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Re: Who benefits most from the Zimbabwe coup?

Post by cassowary » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:56 am

neverfail wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:56 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:21 pm
neverfail wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:43 pm
Why, China of course!

http://www.atimes.com/article/coup-zimb ... china-now/

Any of you armchair liberal romantics out there who hallucinate that this is the end of tyranny/rebirth of democracy in this corner of Africa; ushering in a bright future for the country ought to think again. They do not nickname Mugabe's imminent replacement "the crocodile" for no reason.

This is Africa: where he who plunders most richly stays on top.
Yes, many African countries are headed up by kleptocratic governments, whose honchos learned their trade from observing the centuries-long looting of African resources by European colonial powers.
In the case of Zimbabwe, what looting of resources are you talking about? The old white Rhodesian settlers built the country up from nothing. - Had it not been for 2 or 3 generations of their enterprise and commitment, there would have been nothing there for Mugabe to take over. They made it into a country worth having. Mugabe and cronies has since squandered, abused and dissipated the fruits of all their good work.

You cannot blame the sins of the colonial rulers of yore for the even worse rapacity of the native kleptocrats who have inherited stewardship of the continent since the European powers made up their mind that they no longer wanted to shoulder the white man's burden there.

Rhodesia is not, and never was, the Belgian Congo! So Jim, ' please ease up on your guilt by association spin!
Mugabe was practicing Socialism. He robbed from the rich and gave it to the poor. You find it objectional because in Zimbabwe, the rich are whites and the poor are blacks. If all were the same race, you would be defending Mugage like you did Hugo Chavez.

Neverfail, there will always be a group of people in any country that are more successful than the others because they work harder, are more frugal and honest. It will be these who will end up with higher income. It is always popular for leftist politicians to promise the have-nots the property of the haves. This is what happened in Zimbabwe, Venezuela and Malaysia.

In Malaysia, the Malays did the same to the richer Chinese. Redistrict the wealth of the Chinese to themselves because they wield the political power. But the Malays are smart enough not to kill the goose that lay the golden eggs. Mugabe and Chavez overdid it and now their countries are basket cases.

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Re: Who benefits most from the Zimbabwe coup?

Post by neverfail » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:36 am

cassowary wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:56 am
Mugabe was practicing Socialism.
Was he now? Well, I see him as being one of a kind with the likes of the late Mobotu Sese' Seiko of Zaire: now re-named the Congo. No one has ever accused Mobutu as having been a socialist.
cassowary wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:56 am
He robbed from the rich and gave it to the poor.
In what way has mismanaging a once thriving, prosperous country down into utter destitution helped Zimbabwe's poor?
Millions have had to flee abroad out of sheer economic desperation. Nothing like that happened back in the days of white minority rule. The only ones who had to flee in those days were the insurgent supporters of Mugabe and Joshua Nkomo (ever heard of him?) and they were wanted by the police.
cassowary wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:56 am
You find it objectional because in Zimbabwe, the rich are whites and the poor are blacks. If all were the same race, you would be defending Mugage like you did Hugo Chavez.
That accusation is so absurd I will not even grace it with a reply.

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Re: Who benefits most from the Zimbabwe coup?

Post by cassowary » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:20 am

neverfail wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:36 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:56 am
Mugabe was practicing Socialism.
Was he now? Well, I see him as being one of a kind with the likes of the late Mobotu Sese' Seiko of Zaire: now re-named the Congo. No one has ever accused Mobutu as having been a socialist.
cassowary wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:56 am
He robbed from the rich and gave it to the poor.
In what way has mismanaging a once thriving, prosperous country down into utter destitution helped Zimbabwe's poor?
Millions have had to flee abroad out of sheer economic desperation. Nothing like that happened back in the days of white minority rule. The only ones who had to flee in those days were the insurgent supporters of Mugabe and Joshua Nkomo (ever heard of him?) and they were wanted by the police.
I agree. Now the same thing would have happened if the Whites had been Blacks. Redistributing wealth from the more able to the less able will always have the same disastrous effect. That's what happened in other Socialist countries like Venezuela and Greece.

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