Peru: country is heading for poverty and dictatorship

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Re: Peru: country is heading for poverty and dictatorship

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:34 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:00 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:06 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:02 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:58 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:46 am

Anyone knows about Peruvian culture?
The Incas seemed to have had a richer culture than the Spaniards who destroyed them...
Conducting human sacrifices? Oh I forgot. You are a communist or Socialist.
Your friends do the same. They just call them 'collateral damage'...
War always has collateral damage. Didn’t your friend, Stalin, do that to the Germans during WWII? But human sacrifice to the gods? That’s different.

So how can a god that demanded human sacrifice build a culture that’s better than the Christian culture that came with the Spanish?
The 250,000 Japanese murdered in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were pure human sacrifices. The cities weren't military targets, but it was necessary to sacrifice their population to intimidate the enemy. Sacrificed to Moloch, the only God Americans truly worship...

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Re: Peru: country is heading for poverty and dictatorship

Post by cassowary » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:36 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:34 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:00 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:06 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:02 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:58 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:46 am

Anyone knows about Peruvian culture?
The Incas seemed to have had a richer culture than the Spaniards who destroyed them...
Conducting human sacrifices? Oh I forgot. You are a communist or Socialist.
Your friends do the same. They just call them 'collateral damage'...
War always has collateral damage. Didn’t your friend, Stalin, do that to the Germans during WWII? But human sacrifice to the gods? That’s different.

So how can a god that demanded human sacrifice build a culture that’s better than the Christian culture that came with the Spanish?
The 250,000 Japanese murdered in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were pure human sacrifices. The cities weren't military targets, but it was necessary to sacrifice their population to intimidate the enemy. Sacrificed to Moloch, the only God Americans truly worship...
That was to get them to surrender and not to propitiate any god. Dropping conventional bombs will achieve the same results but only slower. In fact German cities particularly Dresden suffered horrendous results.
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Re: Peru: country is heading for poverty and dictatorship

Post by neverfail » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:50 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:34 am


The 250,000 Japanese murdered in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were pure human sacrifices. The cities weren't military targets, but it was necessary to sacrifice their population to intimidate the enemy. Sacrificed to Moloch, the only God Americans truly worship...
"Murdered"? What do you think the Japanese military did in the countries they invaded like China? Wake up you myopic fool! Japan and the USA were AT WAR and the Japanese had dropped the first bombs that started it. That made Hirohima and Nagasaki and other Japanese polulation centres legetimate bombing targets.

Do you believe that if Imperial Japan had invented the atom bomb first that they would have hesitated to use them on the Americans (and others).

Cease angering me by attempting to evoke false sympathy for the alleged " innocent victims" when in fact I can tell that you are merely attempting to play politics over this website.

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Re: Peru: country is heading for poverty and dictatorship

Post by neverfail » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:01 pm

cassowary wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:46 am

Then how come it worked for us? It also worked very quickly.
Cassowary: Peruvian society is NOT Straits Chinese society nor is it the one I am blessed in belonging to. It has been shaped by a different and rather disimmilar historical experience. Will you rid your mind of that "one shoe size fits all pairs of feet" view of the world around you.
I don't know much about Peru.
Perhaps you can now strive to make up for this apparent defecit in your education.

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Re: Peru: country is heading for poverty and dictatorship

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:04 pm

neverfail wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:50 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:34 am


The 250,000 Japanese murdered in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were pure human sacrifices. The cities weren't military targets, but it was necessary to sacrifice their population to intimidate the enemy. Sacrificed to Moloch, the only God Americans truly worship...
"Murdered"? What do you think the Japanese military did in the countries they invaded like China? Wake up you myopic fool! Japan and the USA were AT WAR and the Japanese had dropped the first bombs that started it. That made Hirohima and Nagasaki and other Japanese polulation centres legetimate bombing targets.

Do you believe that if Imperial Japan had invented the atom bomb first that they would have hesitated to use them on the Americans (and others).

Cease angering me by attempting to evoke false sympathy for the alleged " innocent victims" when in fact I can tell that you are merely attempting to play politics over this website.
In the Pearl Harbour attack only military assets were targeted, not the cities of Hawaii. And I suppose that in your opinion the Australian war crimes in Afghanistan were legitimized by the Taliban terrorist tactics...You Anglos have a funny turn of mind...

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Re: Peru: country is heading for poverty and dictatorship

Post by neverfail » Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:45 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:04 pm

In the Pearl Harbour attack only military assets were targeted, not the cities of Hawaii. And I suppose that in your opinion the Australian war crimes in Afghanistan were legitimized by the Taliban terrorist tactics...You Anglos have a funny turn of mind...
Such apparent chivilry by the Imperial Japanese did not last beyond the Pearl Harbour attack and had never been applied to the Chinese. More likely that as ships involved had only a limited storage capacity to carry explosive ordinance the Japanese needed all the bombs they could carry for the Pearl Harbour naval base attack with none over to spare for the city of Honolulu, Since they had no plans to overrun the Hawaiian islands there was no point in terror bombing the civilian population - unlike in China.

Years before the 1945 atomic bombings (and the slightly earlier conventional bombing of other Japanese citires) the Germans had been bombing both Polish and British cities: and the British had retalliated in kind on German cities. That the German Luftwaffe likely bombed civilian targets as well as military ones during their Russia campaign has received little publicity in The west but no doubt that they would have.Alas, before WW2 had progressed far bombing civilian as well as military targets had become universal doctrine for waging war.

The Japanese invasion of China began 5 years before Pearl Harbour and one need o0nly refer to the treatment of Chinese civilians and captured Chinese soldiers alike during the infamous (1937) rape of Nanjing to comprehend that the Japanese military behaved like savages from the start.

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Australian war crimes in Afghanistan? As yet unproven allegations. Unlike with Japanese war crimes in Asia-Pacific or Nazi German ones in Europe there was no Australian official POLICY for this in Afghanistan. If some rogue members of our SAS up there overstepped the mark and unbidden committed one or two anyhow they will be found out and brought to justice by the investigation presently under way here in Australia.

(Come to think of it; were I a stressed Australian SAS man on duty for years in Afghanistan: from what I understand about the Taliban and their ways I would be less than human if I were not occasionally tempted by a private urge to punish these bastards for some of the things they did.)

Now, cease infuriating me by making bogus comparisons Sertorio. As revealed in your posts on this website: you appear to have no ethical standards in your anxiety to promote your dreams of socialism and pacifism. The end justifies the means, eh?

Spare us your hypocrisy!

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Re: Peru: country is heading for poverty and dictatorship

Post by Sertorio » Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:02 am

neverfail wrote:
Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:45 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:04 pm

In the Pearl Harbour attack only military assets were targeted, not the cities of Hawaii. And I suppose that in your opinion the Australian war crimes in Afghanistan were legitimized by the Taliban terrorist tactics...You Anglos have a funny turn of mind...
Such apparent chivilry by the Imperial Japanese did not last beyond the Pearl Harbour attack and had never been applied to the Chinese. More likely that as ships involved had only a limited storage capacity to carry explosive ordinance the Japanese needed all the bombs they could carry for the Pearl Harbour naval base attack with none over to spare for the city of Honolulu, Since they had no plans to overrun the Hawaiian islands there was no point in terror bombing the civilian population - unlike in China.

Years before the 1945 atomic bombings (and the slightly earlier conventional bombing of other Japanese citires) the Germans had been bombing both Polish and British cities: and the British had retalliated in kind on German cities. That the German Luftwaffe likely bombed civilian targets as well as military ones during their Russia campaign has received little publicity in The west but no doubt that they would have.Alas, before WW2 had progressed far bombing civilian as well as military targets had become universal doctrine for waging war.

The Japanese invasion of China began 5 years before Pearl Harbour and one need o0nly refer to the treatment of Chinese civilians and captured Chinese soldiers alike during the infamous (1937) rape of Nanjing to comprehend that the Japanese military behaved like savages from the start.

.........................................................................................................................................

Australian war crimes in Afghanistan? As yet unproven allegations. Unlike with Japanese war crimes in Asia-Pacific or Nazi German ones in Europe there was no Australian official POLICY of this in Afghanistan. If some rogue members of our SAS up there overstepped the mark and unbidden committee some anyhow they will be found out and brought to justice b y the investigation presently under way.

Now, cease infuriating me by making bogus comparisons Sertorio. You appear to have no ethical standards in your anxiety to promote your dreams of socialism and pacifism. The end justifies the means?

Spare us your hypocrisy!
What infuriates you is being wrong and having that being pointed out to you. In the war between Japan and the US it were the Americans who began bombing cities, to start with the raid on Tokyo soon after Pearl Harbour. The murder of 250,000 innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was just the logical continuation of the war on civilians. I don't know why you sound so upset, when Americans have killed thousands - tens of thousands - of civilians in all the wars they started, such as in Vietnam, Iraq and Syria. And Australian war crimes in Afghanistan may not have been officially condoned, but they followed naturally from the Anglo contempt of brown and black peoples. And the Australian government is doing its best to sweep the dirt under the rug...

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Re: Peru: country is heading for poverty and dictatorship

Post by neverfail » Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:23 am

Getting back on topic:

Understanding the Path of Terrorism - the Shining Path Movement in Peru.

After approximately 10 years of recruitment, structuring, and self-examination, the Shining Path launched its war against Peruvian society in July 1980. Its goal is to destroy Peru's governmental and social institutions and replace them with a radical Marxist-Maoist regime.

After approximately 10 years of recruitment, structuring, and self-examination, the Shining Path launched its war against Peruvian society in July 1980. Its goal is to destroy Peru's governmental and social institutions and replace them with a radical Marxist-Maoist regime. Founded and led by Abimael Guzman, a former philosophy professor, the Shining Path has conducted a relentless campaign of violence and destruction for more than 12 years. It is responsible for the deaths of between 24,000 and 25,000. They have demonstrated that they will use all methods available and will strike any target to achieve their goals.
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The Shining Path movement was founded by a man who appears to have been cast in the very same mould as Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot: a murderous physcopath whose ambition to impose a new social order on his country, regardless of whether the people wanted it or not, knew no bounds. Being led by a pyschocotic killer for whom the end justifies the means Abimael Guzman, of course, attracted other homocidal murderers thirsting for power into his movement to serve him.

Shining path has alrerady provided Peru with a foretaste of what it can expect from a Marxist-Maoist (revolutionary socialist) regime had this movement won. I am fast getting the impression that Cassowary is right.

With athistism, as exemplified by Stalin and these others; there seems to come a lack of any absolute moral rules including (above all) respect for human life. Instead morality becomes relative. The end always justify the means - as long as the end is my own and not that of someone else opposed to my plans and ambitions.)

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Re: Peru: country is heading for poverty and dictatorship

Post by Sertorio » Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:57 am

neverfail wrote:
Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:23 am
Getting back on topic:

Understanding the Path of Terrorism - the Shining Path Movement in Peru.

After approximately 10 years of recruitment, structuring, and self-examination, the Shining Path launched its war against Peruvian society in July 1980. Its goal is to destroy Peru's governmental and social institutions and replace them with a radical Marxist-Maoist regime.

After approximately 10 years of recruitment, structuring, and self-examination, the Shining Path launched its war against Peruvian society in July 1980. Its goal is to destroy Peru's governmental and social institutions and replace them with a radical Marxist-Maoist regime. Founded and led by Abimael Guzman, a former philosophy professor, the Shining Path has conducted a relentless campaign of violence and destruction for more than 12 years. It is responsible for the deaths of between 24,000 and 25,000. They have demonstrated that they will use all methods available and will strike any target to achieve their goals.
The Shining Path movement was founded by a man who appears to have been cast in the very same mould as Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot: a murderous physcopath whose ambition to impose a new social order on his country, regardless of whether the people wanted it or not, knew no bounds. Being led by a pyschocotic killer for whom the end justifies the means Abimael Guzman, of course, attracted other homocidal murderers thirsting for power into his movement to serve him.

Shining path has alrerady provided Peru with a foretaste of what it can expect from a Marxist-Maoist (revolutionary socialist) regime had this movement won. I am fast getting the impression that Cassowary is right.

With athistism, as exemplified by Stalin and these others; there seems to come a lack of any absolute moral rules including (above all) respect for human life. Instead morality becomes relative. The end always justify the means - as long as the end is my own and not that of someone else opposed to my plans and ambitions.)
The topic is Peru today, not the Shining Path. If one tries to judge the political future of Peru under the presidency of Pedro Castillo by the actions of the Shining Path forty years ago, one is definitely barking up the wrong tree. Besides, during the internal conflict in Peru that began in the 1980s, Castillo worked in his youth as a patrolman of the Ronda Campesina to defend against Shining Path.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Castillo] So, what is your point?...

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Re: Peru: country is heading for poverty and dictatorship

Post by neverfail » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:12 am

Fujimori cries electoral fraud – and unleashes torrent of racism

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... o-fujimori

The prospect of the son of illiterate Andean peasants becoming president as his rival cries fraud has shaken Peru’s entrenched class system and its fragile democracy, letting loose a torrent of racism in the bicentennial year of the country’s independence.
If Peruvian democracy exists solely at the pleasure of their numerically small ruling class then it can't be much of a democracy.

(I even wonder if it was originally adopted as a ruse to please the Americans and thereby keep the US fiscal aid payola rolling in. I hope that my suspicion is wrong.)

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