NEW Evidence Emerges For Lab Leak Hypothesis As Fauci Does TOTAL 180

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Re: NEW Evidence Emerges For Lab Leak Hypothesis As Fauci Does TOTAL 180

Post by Milo » Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:35 am

cassowary wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:08 am
Doc wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 11:25 am
Milo wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 7:53 am
Doc wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 6:09 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 1:30 pm
Doc wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 1:24 pm


There is a huge amount of evidence that this virus was created. IF it is naturally occurring then where is the host? Many animal species have been tested, yet no zoological host has been found.

It was claimed the virus came from horse shoe bats. Problem is that it almost impossible to infect horseshoe bats with COVID-19. Which means they are bot the original host. pangolins the same story. Though it has been noted that the spikes on COVID are very similar to the spikes on coronaviruses that are found in pangolins. Even though the RNA is very similar to the RNA found in bats.
Um, the host is humans?
So far the only original host is humans. Minks Lions and now dogs have become infected by variants of the human version If the CCP wanted to debunk the theory that COVID-19 originated in their lab would be to produce the original non human host. As I said before the virus most closely matches bats but part of the virus spikes match the spikes of a version found in pangolins. As if CPVID-19 was created as a hybrid of bat and pangolin coronavirus.

Besides in any event while the CCP restricted domestic air travel inside of China when the virus first started to spread they did nothing to prevent international travel of people leaving the country, while telling the world there was no human to human transmission. So even if COVID came from an animal source the CCP in effect used it as a bio-weapon

Is this finally proof Covid DID leak from Wuhan lab? The sample with a 96% match with the virus, a young medic's damning findings, and bat cave trip that killed three miners... the Mail dossier that can no longer be ignored


There can't be many jobs more hellish than that given to three Chinese miners in the mountainous province of Yunnan in April 2012.

Tasked with cleaning out an abandoned copper mine in the county of Moijang, they found themselves in caves knee-deep in piles of guano — a foul-smelling combination of bat faeces and urine.

As horseshoe bats roosted overhead, and rats and shrews scurried around in the droppings and muck, the men dug for hours at a time in the stinking, airless space.

After two weeks all three had developed a severe, pneumonia-like disease.

Three younger men were dispatched to take over but soon they, too, were suffering breathing problems, coughs, and fevers in excess of 39c (102f) — symptoms later described in an obscure Chinese medical paper and which are strikingly similar to the disease we know now as Covid-19.

The six miners were moved to the No 1 School of Medicine at Kunming Medical University — more than 100 miles away in the provincial capital — where they were put on ventilators.

Within months, three were dead.
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......Thus far human are the only known original host. The are variants that have infect minks dogs and African lions. You would think if the CCP wanted to prove it did not come from their lab they would produce the original host.

So exactly what do we know about the 100 or so SARS-like viruses that the Wuhan Institute of Virology is thought to have stored in its freezers? And, in particular, those obtained from that old copper mine in Yunnan?

An analysis of scientific studies suggest that at least four teams of Chinese virologists collected samples from the mine after the miners fell ill. Nine viruses are reported to have been found and were sent to WIV for analysis.

One of the viruses, originating from the anus of a horseshoe bat, was given the name RaTG13 by Dr Shi. RaTG13 is a 96.2 per cent match for SARS-CoV-2 (the cause of Covid-19), which makes it ten to 15 mutations away from the Covid-19 virus, and by far its genetically closest relative.

Adding to the intrigue is a new analysis of the Moijang outbreak and of Chinese genetic sequencing data by virologist Jonathan Latham, director of the New York-based Bioscience Resource Project, a research and analysis consultancy.

In an article published earlier this month on Bioscience's website, Independent Science News, Dr Latham revealed how he had come across a 2013 postgraduate thesis by a young medic entitled: The Analysis Of Six Patients With Severe Pneumonia Caused By Unknown Viruses.
One of the viruses, originating from the anus of a horseshoe bat (pictured), was given the name RaTG13 by Dr Shi
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One of the viruses, originating from the anus of a horseshoe bat (pictured), was given the name RaTG13 by Dr Shi

Once translated, it became clear that the author, Li Xu, had been supervised in his research by Professor Qian Chuanyun, who worked in the emergency department at Kunming Hospital where the sick miners were treated. The paper concluded that the most likely cause of the outbreak was a coronavirus.

'....perhaps most startling of all the findings to emerge from the translation was that the symptoms of the miners closely resembled those of Covid-19,' Dr Latham wrote. He suspects a 'cover-up' by the Chinese because this is the only research paper that he has been able to find that mentions the 2012 outbreak that killed the miners.

According to Latham, the answer to the pandemic 'whodunnit' may lie in the Wuhan Institute's collaboration with the EcoHealth Alliance, a U.S. government-funded science group run by a British scientist, Dr Peter Daszak, which for several years had financially backed the WIV in its hunt for new viruses in a bid to better predict emerging diseases.

Latham says that Chinese and U.S. researchers have been collaborating for years on risky research that had never been made public for security reasons.

Chinese scientists, he says, 'have been isolating, culturing, and studying unpublished coronaviruses found in the cave. It may be the tip of an iceberg... Numerous labs [may be] isolating, culturing, or studying unpublished coronaviruses'.
Dr Shi Zhengli (pictured) is known as 'Bat Woman' by her colleagues because of her pioneering virus-hunting expeditions to bat caves in remote parts of China over almost two decades
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Dr Shi Zhengli (pictured) is known as 'Bat Woman' by her colleagues because of her pioneering virus-hunting expeditions to bat caves in remote parts of China over almost two decades

One hypothesis put forward by Latham is that Covid-19 evolved in the lungs of the miners who became ill. Viral samples were later worked on by researchers in a Wuhan laboratory and somehow the virus escaped and spread via the Huanan market which was just two miles from the institute.

Another hypothesis from Chinese virologist Li-Meng Yan is that RaTG13 was genetically modified for use in what is known as 'gain of function' experiments.

This allows virus sequences to be combined, thereby adding to their virulence or enabling whole new viruses to be developed.

Such work is controversial, often done in secret, and known to be used by the military.

A yet-to-be published report by British and Norwegian scientists is expected to claim that, starting around 2008 in China, a pattern of research can be traced that shows the 'engineering' of coronaviruses.

'The WIV and the EcoHealth Alliance have not shared what is apparently in their own freezers and databases,' says Latham.

'The less openness scientists at the WIV and the EcoHealth Alliance show, and the more they appear to dodge the key questions, the more the suspicion will unavoidably grow of their collective culpability for whatever really happened in Wuhan in late 2019.' Meanwhile, the numbers of those demanding to know the exact sequence of events is mounting day by day.

Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University and leading expert on biosafety — was one of the 18 leading scientists who signed the Science letter mentioned above.

This week he called for American lawmakers to subpoena the four U.S. government agencies who paid the Chinese laboratory to research coronaviruses to find out what they know and demanded to see what information the EcoHealth Alliance had collected about coronaviruses in China.
In any event, we don't know its origins and we likely never will; but it's definitely time to make China pay, because their behaviour was and is unacceptable by any standards of law or ethics.
Indeed In the US individuals cannot sue a foreign government. However the CCP is not a foreign government and therefore I would think does not have sovereign immunity
Unless they have assets in the US, such a lawsuit will not get any money.
There’s always a way.

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Re: NEW Evidence Emerges For Lab Leak Hypothesis As Fauci Does TOTAL 180

Post by Doc » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:00 pm

Milo wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:35 am
cassowary wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:08 am
Doc wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 11:25 am
Milo wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 7:53 am
Doc wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 6:09 pm
Milo wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 1:30 pm


Um, the host is humans?
So far the only original host is humans. Minks Lions and now dogs have become infected by variants of the human version If the CCP wanted to debunk the theory that COVID-19 originated in their lab would be to produce the original non human host. As I said before the virus most closely matches bats but part of the virus spikes match the spikes of a version found in pangolins. As if CPVID-19 was created as a hybrid of bat and pangolin coronavirus.

Besides in any event while the CCP restricted domestic air travel inside of China when the virus first started to spread they did nothing to prevent international travel of people leaving the country, while telling the world there was no human to human transmission. So even if COVID came from an animal source the CCP in effect used it as a bio-weapon

Is this finally proof Covid DID leak from Wuhan lab? The sample with a 96% match with the virus, a young medic's damning findings, and bat cave trip that killed three miners... the Mail dossier that can no longer be ignored


There can't be many jobs more hellish than that given to three Chinese miners in the mountainous province of Yunnan in April 2012.

Tasked with cleaning out an abandoned copper mine in the county of Moijang, they found themselves in caves knee-deep in piles of guano — a foul-smelling combination of bat faeces and urine.

As horseshoe bats roosted overhead, and rats and shrews scurried around in the droppings and muck, the men dug for hours at a time in the stinking, airless space.

After two weeks all three had developed a severe, pneumonia-like disease.

Three younger men were dispatched to take over but soon they, too, were suffering breathing problems, coughs, and fevers in excess of 39c (102f) — symptoms later described in an obscure Chinese medical paper and which are strikingly similar to the disease we know now as Covid-19.

The six miners were moved to the No 1 School of Medicine at Kunming Medical University — more than 100 miles away in the provincial capital — where they were put on ventilators.

Within months, three were dead.
---------------------
......Thus far human are the only known original host. The are variants that have infect minks dogs and African lions. You would think if the CCP wanted to prove it did not come from their lab they would produce the original host.

So exactly what do we know about the 100 or so SARS-like viruses that the Wuhan Institute of Virology is thought to have stored in its freezers? And, in particular, those obtained from that old copper mine in Yunnan?

An analysis of scientific studies suggest that at least four teams of Chinese virologists collected samples from the mine after the miners fell ill. Nine viruses are reported to have been found and were sent to WIV for analysis.

One of the viruses, originating from the anus of a horseshoe bat, was given the name RaTG13 by Dr Shi. RaTG13 is a 96.2 per cent match for SARS-CoV-2 (the cause of Covid-19), which makes it ten to 15 mutations away from the Covid-19 virus, and by far its genetically closest relative.

Adding to the intrigue is a new analysis of the Moijang outbreak and of Chinese genetic sequencing data by virologist Jonathan Latham, director of the New York-based Bioscience Resource Project, a research and analysis consultancy.

In an article published earlier this month on Bioscience's website, Independent Science News, Dr Latham revealed how he had come across a 2013 postgraduate thesis by a young medic entitled: The Analysis Of Six Patients With Severe Pneumonia Caused By Unknown Viruses.
One of the viruses, originating from the anus of a horseshoe bat (pictured), was given the name RaTG13 by Dr Shi
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One of the viruses, originating from the anus of a horseshoe bat (pictured), was given the name RaTG13 by Dr Shi

Once translated, it became clear that the author, Li Xu, had been supervised in his research by Professor Qian Chuanyun, who worked in the emergency department at Kunming Hospital where the sick miners were treated. The paper concluded that the most likely cause of the outbreak was a coronavirus.

'....perhaps most startling of all the findings to emerge from the translation was that the symptoms of the miners closely resembled those of Covid-19,' Dr Latham wrote. He suspects a 'cover-up' by the Chinese because this is the only research paper that he has been able to find that mentions the 2012 outbreak that killed the miners.

According to Latham, the answer to the pandemic 'whodunnit' may lie in the Wuhan Institute's collaboration with the EcoHealth Alliance, a U.S. government-funded science group run by a British scientist, Dr Peter Daszak, which for several years had financially backed the WIV in its hunt for new viruses in a bid to better predict emerging diseases.

Latham says that Chinese and U.S. researchers have been collaborating for years on risky research that had never been made public for security reasons.

Chinese scientists, he says, 'have been isolating, culturing, and studying unpublished coronaviruses found in the cave. It may be the tip of an iceberg... Numerous labs [may be] isolating, culturing, or studying unpublished coronaviruses'.
Dr Shi Zhengli (pictured) is known as 'Bat Woman' by her colleagues because of her pioneering virus-hunting expeditions to bat caves in remote parts of China over almost two decades
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Dr Shi Zhengli (pictured) is known as 'Bat Woman' by her colleagues because of her pioneering virus-hunting expeditions to bat caves in remote parts of China over almost two decades

One hypothesis put forward by Latham is that Covid-19 evolved in the lungs of the miners who became ill. Viral samples were later worked on by researchers in a Wuhan laboratory and somehow the virus escaped and spread via the Huanan market which was just two miles from the institute.

Another hypothesis from Chinese virologist Li-Meng Yan is that RaTG13 was genetically modified for use in what is known as 'gain of function' experiments.

This allows virus sequences to be combined, thereby adding to their virulence or enabling whole new viruses to be developed.

Such work is controversial, often done in secret, and known to be used by the military.

A yet-to-be published report by British and Norwegian scientists is expected to claim that, starting around 2008 in China, a pattern of research can be traced that shows the 'engineering' of coronaviruses.

'The WIV and the EcoHealth Alliance have not shared what is apparently in their own freezers and databases,' says Latham.

'The less openness scientists at the WIV and the EcoHealth Alliance show, and the more they appear to dodge the key questions, the more the suspicion will unavoidably grow of their collective culpability for whatever really happened in Wuhan in late 2019.' Meanwhile, the numbers of those demanding to know the exact sequence of events is mounting day by day.

Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University and leading expert on biosafety — was one of the 18 leading scientists who signed the Science letter mentioned above.

This week he called for American lawmakers to subpoena the four U.S. government agencies who paid the Chinese laboratory to research coronaviruses to find out what they know and demanded to see what information the EcoHealth Alliance had collected about coronaviruses in China.
In any event, we don't know its origins and we likely never will; but it's definitely time to make China pay, because their behaviour was and is unacceptable by any standards of law or ethics.
Indeed In the US individuals cannot sue a foreign government. However the CCP is not a foreign government and therefore I would think does not have sovereign immunity
Unless they have assets in the US, such a lawsuit will not get any money.
There’s always a way.
Milo is there a principle under the law of "Finders Keepers"?

Pretty much all Chinese companies are owned at least in some part by the CCP

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/11/10-icon ... stors.html
10 iconic American companies owned by Chinese investors
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Re: NEW Evidence Emerges For Lab Leak Hypothesis As Fauci Does TOTAL 180

Post by Doc » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:45 am

https://www.wnd.com/2021/06/china-exper ... pay-covid/
China expert Gordon Chang: 'America must #MakeChinaPay' for COVID
'Researchers are now cooking up far more deadly pathogens'
By Bob Unruh
Published June 4, 2021 at 12:07pm


Shanghai, China (Pixabay)

China expert Gordon Chang is calling for America, and the international community, to "#MakeChinaPay" for what he describes as its attack on the rest of the world.

In his commentary at Gatestone Institute, where he is a distinguished senior fellow and advisory board member, he charges that China "deliberately spread CVOID-19 beyond its borders."

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Deterrence is needed because, he writes, "China's regime committed the crime of this century and may well be planning another horrific act."

After more than a year of being discounted, even suppressed, the idea that COVID-19 emerged from a virology lab in Wuhan, China, that has been working on those specific bat viruses, that train of thought finally is being given credence now.

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Even President Biden has reversed himself on the issue and now has asked for a full report on the possible source.

"There are extremely disturbing indications that the People's Liberation Army of the Communist Party either engineered SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus causing this disease, or warehoused this pathogen in a laboratory, most likely the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan," Chang explained. "The lab was storing more than 1,500 strains of coronavirus, it conducted dangerous gain-of-function experiments, it failed to adhere to safety protocols, and it is located just miles from the first identified COVID-19 case."

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He said there's no need to wait for "a determination of Beijing's culpability. Even if the coronavirus did not start out as a biological weapon, the world now has enough information to conclude that China's regime turned it into one."

He said human-to-human cases were confirmed in December 2019, but China waited weeks to admit that.
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"Chinese leaders then engaged in a campaign of deception. They assured the World Health Organization that such transmissions were not likely. As a result of China's assurances, WHO issued a January 9 statement and its infamous January 14 tweet, both propagating the false Chinese assurance," he explained.

"Then Chinese ruler Xi Jinping pressured countries not to impose travel restrictions on arrivals from China while he was locking down, among other places, Wuhan and the surrounding areas of his own country. By locking down China, he was obviously thinking he was stopping the spread of disease. By leaning on other countries not to impose travel restrictions, he knew or had to know that he was spreading the disease. The passengers leaving China turned an epidemic that should have been confined to central China into a global pandemic," he charged.

He said the only explanation that fits the facts is that XI "maliciously spread COVID-19 to the world."

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Holding China accountable, however, will be a long road, he said.

While lawsuits already have been filed in California, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Texas, John Houghtaling of Gauthier Murphy & Houghtaling, a leading class-action law firm, told Gatestone, three obstacles including the idea of China's sovereign immunity, the burden of proof and finally collecting a judgment.

He said China's "crimes against humanity" are so horrific that immunity should be removed.

"Beijing's spread of the coronavirus constituted such a crime. The spread was either deliberate or reckless and in any event Chinese leaders had to know that their unjustifiable acts would result in death around the world. As of this moment, 3,579,000 people have died from COVID-19, including 596,000 Americans. The Chinese regime committed mass murder," he said.

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And technically, the Community Party of China is a political party, not a sovereign, he pointed out.

Two members of Congress also have introduced legislation that would allow families of COVID-19 victims to sue a country that "intentionally misled" the world on the outbreak.

"Punishing China, by seizing its assets, for example, would send a powerful message to Beijing that Washington will not tolerate the killing of Americans. It is absolutely essential that the Biden administration disabuse Chinese leaders of the notion that they can spread the next pathogen, or whatever else they are planning, without cost," he said.

After all, he noted, "In China's laboratories, researchers are now cooking up far more deadly pathogens than SARS-CoV-2, including those that would leave the Chinese immune but sicken or kill everyone else."
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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