Belarus and Austria: a Tale of Two Countries

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Belarus and Austria: a Tale of Two Countries

Post by Sertorio » Sun May 23, 2021 3:17 pm

Bolivian President continues journey after being forced to land in Austria
https://www.dw.com/en/bolivian-presiden ... v-16926476

The plane of Bolivian President Evo Morales made an unscheduled 12-hour stop in Vienna after it was denied overflight rights by a number of European countries. Morales was forced to land in Vienna amidst speculation US fugitive Edward Snowden was on board. Austrian officials said only Bolivians were on the plane. Bolivia has condemned the incident.
'Bomb scare' forces Ryanair jet to make emergency landing in Belarus, authorities detain wanted editor of banned Telegram channel
https://www.rt.com/russia/524595-belaru ... -arrested/

A prominent exiled opponent of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has been arrested in Minsk on Sunday, after a Ryanair flight from Athens to Vilnius was diverted and landed in the city, reportedly following a bomb threat.
Interesting to see how two very similar actions have provoked such different reactions. While nobody thought that Austria had done anything wrong - it was just obeying orders by the US - everybody is accusing Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko of a violation of human rights. The only difference in the two incidents is that Lukashenko got his prize and the US didn't. In other words, Belarussians are a lot smarter than Americans... :D

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Re: Belarus and Austria: a Tale of Two Countries

Post by Doc » Mon May 24, 2021 10:29 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 3:17 pm
Bolivian President continues journey after being forced to land in Austria
https://www.dw.com/en/bolivian-presiden ... v-16926476

The plane of Bolivian President Evo Morales made an unscheduled 12-hour stop in Vienna after it was denied overflight rights by a number of European countries. Morales was forced to land in Vienna amidst speculation US fugitive Edward Snowden was on board. Austrian officials said only Bolivians were on the plane. Bolivia has condemned the incident.
'Bomb scare' forces Ryanair jet to make emergency landing in Belarus, authorities detain wanted editor of banned Telegram channel
https://www.rt.com/russia/524595-belaru ... -arrested/

A prominent exiled opponent of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has been arrested in Minsk on Sunday, after a Ryanair flight from Athens to Vilnius was diverted and landed in the city, reportedly following a bomb threat.
Interesting to see how two very similar actions have provoked such different reactions. While nobody thought that Austria had done anything wrong - it was just obeying orders by the US - everybody is accusing Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko of a violation of human rights. The only difference in the two incidents is that Lukashenko got his prize and the US didn't. In other words, Belarussians are a lot smarter than Americans... :D
The difference is that American authorities didn't arrest anyone. :lol: I guess their bugging devices in the Ecuador London embassy lied to them.

Though I would point out that Snowden actually had an arrest warrant against him. Where the reporter was just a reporter
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Re: Belarus and Austria: a Tale of Two Countries

Post by Sertorio » Mon May 24, 2021 10:40 am

Doc wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 10:29 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 3:17 pm
Bolivian President continues journey after being forced to land in Austria
https://www.dw.com/en/bolivian-presiden ... v-16926476

The plane of Bolivian President Evo Morales made an unscheduled 12-hour stop in Vienna after it was denied overflight rights by a number of European countries. Morales was forced to land in Vienna amidst speculation US fugitive Edward Snowden was on board. Austrian officials said only Bolivians were on the plane. Bolivia has condemned the incident.
'Bomb scare' forces Ryanair jet to make emergency landing in Belarus, authorities detain wanted editor of banned Telegram channel
https://www.rt.com/russia/524595-belaru ... -arrested/

A prominent exiled opponent of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has been arrested in Minsk on Sunday, after a Ryanair flight from Athens to Vilnius was diverted and landed in the city, reportedly following a bomb threat.
Interesting to see how two very similar actions have provoked such different reactions. While nobody thought that Austria had done anything wrong - it was just obeying orders by the US - everybody is accusing Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko of a violation of human rights. The only difference in the two incidents is that Lukashenko got his prize and the US didn't. In other words, Belarussians are a lot smarter than Americans... :D
The difference is that American authorities didn't arrest anyone. :lol: I guess their bugging devices in the Ecuador London embassy lied to them.

Though I would point out that Snowden actually had an arrest warrant against him. Where the reporter was just a reporter
Is it all right to force the landing of the Presidential aircraft of a sovereign nation to search it for someone the US wanted to grab? Could we do it to the Air Force One to arrest any of the war criminals who regularly use it to fly?... :twisted:

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Re: Belarus and Austria: a Tale of Two Countries

Post by cassowary » Mon May 24, 2021 10:43 am

The two incidents were not comparable and you know it. Apparently, the Belorussians planned the ruse all along. Fake a bomb threat forcing the plane in Belarus allowing them to nab their opposition critic whose behaviour would not have raised an eyebrow let alone arrest in Portugal or the EU.

Thus there is a violation of human rights. The US apparently got wrong intelligence that Snowden was fleeing to Bolivia on board the plane. France refused to allow the plane to fly over French airspace forcing it to land in Austria. Snowden was not on board.

Compare the two fugitives. One was arrested by a dictator for criticising. The other broke the law in revealing US secrets to its enemies.

This is what happened according to the BBC,a source far more respected that Russian propaganda outlet RT.
Western countries have condemned Belarus for diverting a plane flying over its territory to arrest an opposition journalist.
EU leaders are due to discuss their response to what the union's executive called a "hijacking" and the US state department said was "a shocking act".
Belarus scrambled a fighter jet to force the plane - bound for Lithuania - to land, claiming a bomb threat.
See how Sertorio is always on the side of evil governments?
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Re: Belarus and Austria: a Tale of Two Countries

Post by Doc » Mon May 24, 2021 12:32 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 10:40 am
Doc wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 10:29 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 3:17 pm
Bolivian President continues journey after being forced to land in Austria
https://www.dw.com/en/bolivian-presiden ... v-16926476

The plane of Bolivian President Evo Morales made an unscheduled 12-hour stop in Vienna after it was denied overflight rights by a number of European countries. Morales was forced to land in Vienna amidst speculation US fugitive Edward Snowden was on board. Austrian officials said only Bolivians were on the plane. Bolivia has condemned the incident.
'Bomb scare' forces Ryanair jet to make emergency landing in Belarus, authorities detain wanted editor of banned Telegram channel
https://www.rt.com/russia/524595-belaru ... -arrested/

A prominent exiled opponent of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has been arrested in Minsk on Sunday, after a Ryanair flight from Athens to Vilnius was diverted and landed in the city, reportedly following a bomb threat.
Interesting to see how two very similar actions have provoked such different reactions. While nobody thought that Austria had done anything wrong - it was just obeying orders by the US - everybody is accusing Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko of a violation of human rights. The only difference in the two incidents is that Lukashenko got his prize and the US didn't. In other words, Belarussians are a lot smarter than Americans... :D
The difference is that American authorities didn't arrest anyone. :lol: I guess their bugging devices in the Ecuador London embassy lied to them.

Though I would point out that Snowden actually had an arrest warrant against him. Where the reporter was just a reporter
Is it all right to force the landing of the Presidential aircraft of a sovereign nation to search it for someone the US wanted to grab? Could we do it to the Air Force One to arrest any of the war criminals who regularly use it to fly?... :twisted:
Sertorio why don't you just make it simple and just state your belief "America Bad. And leave it at that?
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Re: Belarus and Austria: a Tale of Two Countries

Post by Sertorio » Mon May 24, 2021 12:40 pm

Doc wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 12:32 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 10:40 am
Doc wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 10:29 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 3:17 pm
Bolivian President continues journey after being forced to land in Austria
https://www.dw.com/en/bolivian-presiden ... v-16926476

The plane of Bolivian President Evo Morales made an unscheduled 12-hour stop in Vienna after it was denied overflight rights by a number of European countries. Morales was forced to land in Vienna amidst speculation US fugitive Edward Snowden was on board. Austrian officials said only Bolivians were on the plane. Bolivia has condemned the incident.
'Bomb scare' forces Ryanair jet to make emergency landing in Belarus, authorities detain wanted editor of banned Telegram channel
https://www.rt.com/russia/524595-belaru ... -arrested/

A prominent exiled opponent of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has been arrested in Minsk on Sunday, after a Ryanair flight from Athens to Vilnius was diverted and landed in the city, reportedly following a bomb threat.
Interesting to see how two very similar actions have provoked such different reactions. While nobody thought that Austria had done anything wrong - it was just obeying orders by the US - everybody is accusing Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko of a violation of human rights. The only difference in the two incidents is that Lukashenko got his prize and the US didn't. In other words, Belarussians are a lot smarter than Americans... :D
The difference is that American authorities didn't arrest anyone. :lol: I guess their bugging devices in the Ecuador London embassy lied to them.

Though I would point out that Snowden actually had an arrest warrant against him. Where the reporter was just a reporter
Is it all right to force the landing of the Presidential aircraft of a sovereign nation to search it for someone the US wanted to grab? Could we do it to the Air Force One to arrest any of the war criminals who regularly use it to fly?... :twisted:
Sertorio why don't you just make it simple and just state your belief "America Bad. And leave it at that?
America or the Americans, as such, are not bad. The American governments are. And we - as well as you - have a right and the duty to protect ourselves from such people. Otherwise we will soon have another major war as stupid and as useless as World War I. And at least as destructive.

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Re: Belarus and Austria: a Tale of Two Countries

Post by neverfail » Mon May 24, 2021 4:07 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 3:17 pm
Bolivian President continues journey after being forced to land in Austria
https://www.dw.com/en/bolivian-presiden ... v-16926476

The plane of Bolivian President Evo Morales made an unscheduled 12-hour stop in Vienna after it was denied overflight rights by a number of European countries. Morales was forced to land in Vienna amidst speculation US fugitive Edward Snowden was on board. Austrian officials said only Bolivians were on the plane. Bolivia has condemned the incident.
Fake news!

Please note that Evo Morales ceased being president of Bolivia in 2019.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Is+Evo+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

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Re: Belarus and Austria: a Tale of Two Countries

Post by cassowary » Mon May 24, 2021 9:08 pm

neverfail wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 4:07 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 3:17 pm
Bolivian President continues journey after being forced to land in Austria
https://www.dw.com/en/bolivian-presiden ... v-16926476

The plane of Bolivian President Evo Morales made an unscheduled 12-hour stop in Vienna after it was denied overflight rights by a number of European countries. Morales was forced to land in Vienna amidst speculation US fugitive Edward Snowden was on board. Austrian officials said only Bolivians were on the plane. Bolivia has condemned the incident.
Fake news!

Please note that Evo Morales ceased being president of Bolivia in 2019.


https://www.google.com/search?q=Is+Evo+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

Good catch, Neverfail.
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Re: Belarus and Austria: a Tale of Two Countries

Post by Sertorio » Tue May 25, 2021 3:27 am

neverfail wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 4:07 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 3:17 pm
Bolivian President continues journey after being forced to land in Austria
https://www.dw.com/en/bolivian-presiden ... v-16926476

The plane of Bolivian President Evo Morales made an unscheduled 12-hour stop in Vienna after it was denied overflight rights by a number of European countries. Morales was forced to land in Vienna amidst speculation US fugitive Edward Snowden was on board. Austrian officials said only Bolivians were on the plane. Bolivia has condemned the incident.
Fake news!

Please note that Evo Morales ceased being president of Bolivia in 2019.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Is+Evo+ ... e&ie=UTF-8
In what world do you live? The incident with Evo Morales plane occurred in 2013... Doesn't being in permanent state of denial bother you?...

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Re: Belarus and Austria: a Tale of Two Countries

Post by Sertorio » Tue May 25, 2021 3:32 am

By the way, why not exchanging Roman Protasevich for Julian Assange?... One journalist for another, both accused of abusing the right to freedom of expression...

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