Sertorio wrote: ↑
Mon May 03, 2021 3:06 am
I have a suspicion Jacinda Ardern is being bullied by the other "four eyes"... She wants an accommodation with China but the other Anglos won't let her...
You don't know either New Zealand or its very proud, highly independent people.
Did you know that in 1986 there was a serious rift between NZ and the USA over the issue of nuclear armed and powered ships retaining access to New Zeanand ports? The US all but expelled NZ from the trilateral alliance with the United States that NZ was part of.
A Labour government headed by a man named David Lange (pron. Long-ee) won their election that year and Lange immediately got his government to prepare legislation outlawing visits to NZ seaports by nuclear armed and/or powered ships. The US took exception to this move since they had a policy of not identifying any of their navy vessels as nuclear or not (to make it harder for Soviet military intelligence to pinpoint the US navy vessels likely to be carrying nuclear warheads). It made it impossible for ships of the US navy to any longer pay courtesy calls to NZ ports.
There is not the slightest evidence that Lange's move was anti-American - just anti nuclear. Lange was a devout Methodist who viewed his own mission (and that of his church) to build the new Jerusalem here on earth and ridding the World of nuclear weapons as a building block in fulfilment of that mission. In addition Lange had a large following of Maori and other Polynesian voters in his constituency. Regardless of what Pacific islands they eminate from Polynesians are universally fearful of nuclear power and anything to do with it so Lange's move was very popular with this section of his voter support base.
In Australia the Hawke government (also a Labor government) took a very dim view of the Lange anti-nuclear initiave - Hawke on at least one occasion caught by the TV news cameras railing against it. Why were the NZ and Australian responses so different? In NZ Lange was (and still is) regarded by his countrymen as something of a national hero for standing up to those damned Yanks: here in Australia he was more commonly considered a bloody fool for throwing into jeopardy the defence security of this entire region.
The reason (as a newspaper report/analysis I read at the time explained) was because the alliance with the United States was (and had never been) seen the same way in the two countries. The United Kingdom, not the United States, had been the traditional ally and patron/backer of New Zealand.
I recall during my first visit to New Zealand in 1968 getting into conversation with a middle aged Kiwi women who (along with a Canadian visitor staying at the same boarding house) who expressed with bemusement how her country had long been an ally of Britain. " but we seem to be going more with the United States now
". She had not the least comprehension as to how global power had changed since the vanished days when Britaninia ruled the waves.
This lady was at an age at which I estimated that during the Second World War she would have been aged in her late teens or early 20's. In Australia there could not have been even one woman (or man) of that age who would have been in any doubt as to why, post WW2, her/his country had entered into an alliance with the US.
The Anzus pact was apparently viewed in NZ only as a short-term expedient for the duration of the Cold War. By 1986 with Gorbachev in charge of the USSR that decades long standoff between the superpowers was clearly on the wane - so some of them over in NZ must have concluded that the alliance was by then superceded by the changing course of World events and so NZ could safely dispense with it. What Lange (and similarly like-minded Kiwis) did not comprehend was that in Australia the alliance was viewed as a centrepiece to a whole web of ties, cultural economic and political, that an unbroken succession of Austrlian governments had energetically been building with the United States over all the decades since the end of the Second World War and was meant to last for well beyond the end of the Cold War.
In light of the above past precedent re. Lange and his defiance of the United States with his anti-nuclear legislation: do you really believe that any NZ Prime Minister would be cowed by US (or other Anglo) pressure in the way you suggest, Sertorio?