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Re: I fear for the future

Post by Milo » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:52 pm

As with Obama, now that the Republicans lost an election, God must punish us! It’s the kind of rhetoric the shouty churchgoers understand.

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Re: I fear for the future

Post by Doc » Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:07 am

Milo wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:36 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:55 pm
Milo wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:47 pm
It was, and is, due to the rest of the world being nice to them. They know that, that’s why they won’t physically invade anyone.
Well, I seem to recall that it all began with Richard Nixon's 1972 trip to Beijing for the purpose of drawing the PRC away from being the backup to the USSR. In the midst of the Cold War that was not so much 'being nice" as acting from self-interest.
That was then, the rise of China as a trading power since is pure affirmative action. Follow the money: it’s all from Europe and North America.
Clinton: WTO membership for China. Plus help in getting CCP ICBMs Not to blow up on launch. Also Chinese students only getting two year student visas and required to leave after two year at the CCP's insistence
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Re: I fear for the future

Post by neverfail » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:37 pm

Milo wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:36 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:55 pm
Milo wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:47 pm
It was, and is, due to the rest of the world being nice to them. They know that, that’s why they won’t physically invade anyone.
Well, I seem to recall that it all began with Richard Nixon's 1972 trip to Beijing for the purpose of drawing the PRC away from being the backup to the USSR. In the midst of the Cold War that was not so much 'being nice" as acting from self-interest.
That was then, the rise of China as a trading power since is pure affirmative action. Follow the money: it’s all from Europe and North America.
The principle remains exactly the same. Entice Russia away from China's embrace to weaken the geopolitical and geostrategic posture of the latter. The only thing wrong is that we might have to wait until after the end of the Putin era in Russia to see it happen. Ever since the disintegration of the USSR the myopic fools of policymakers in Washuington DC have given Vladimir Putin and colleasgues every reason to believe that the USA is a hostile power up to no good.

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Re: I fear for the future

Post by Doc » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:53 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:37 pm
Milo wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:36 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:55 pm
Milo wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:47 pm
It was, and is, due to the rest of the world being nice to them. They know that, that’s why they won’t physically invade anyone.
Well, I seem to recall that it all began with Richard Nixon's 1972 trip to Beijing for the purpose of drawing the PRC away from being the backup to the USSR. In the midst of the Cold War that was not so much 'being nice" as acting from self-interest.
That was then, the rise of China as a trading power since is pure affirmative action. Follow the money: it’s all from Europe and North America.
The principle remains exactly the same. Entice Russia away from China's embrace to weaken the geopolitical and geostrategic posture of the latter. The only thing wrong is that we might have to wait until after the end of the Putin era in Russia to see it happen. Ever since the disintegration of the USSR the myopic fools of policymakers in Washuington DC have given Vladimir Putin and colleasgues every reason to believe that the USA is a hostile power up to no good.
Just because Biden called Putin a "Killer" and the DC establishment, the US MSM and the Democrats spent the last four years calling Russia the biggest danger to the US doesn't mean they are hostile to him. About now you can be sure they are saying Putin is hostile because he doesn't have a sense of humor.

As far as the CCP VS Taiwan goes....It is the whole ball game.



BTW is "washuington DC" what the CCP plans to rename the US capital after they take over? :P
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Re: I fear for the future

Post by cassowary » Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:32 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:37 pm
Milo wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:36 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:55 pm
Milo wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:47 pm
It was, and is, due to the rest of the world being nice to them. They know that, that’s why they won’t physically invade anyone.
Well, I seem to recall that it all began with Richard Nixon's 1972 trip to Beijing for the purpose of drawing the PRC away from being the backup to the USSR. In the midst of the Cold War that was not so much 'being nice" as acting from self-interest.
That was then, the rise of China as a trading power since is pure affirmative action. Follow the money: it’s all from Europe and North America.
The principle remains exactly the same. Entice Russia away from China's embrace to weaken the geopolitical and geostrategic posture of the latter. The only thing wrong is that we might have to wait until after the end of the Putin era in Russia to see it happen. Ever since the disintegration of the USSR the myopic fools of policymakers in Washuington DC have given Vladimir Putin and colleasgues every reason to believe that the USA is a hostile power up to no good.
Nah. Putin simply calculated that it is better to make China an ally than risk their anger by cozying up to the West. Russia has a long border with China in sparsely population Siberia which China wants back. The only reason China is not doing nasty things to Russia is because it sees America as the main threat. Once it kicks America out from the Western Pacific, it will turn against Russia. Then Russia will cozy up to the West.
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Re: I fear for the future

Post by Sertorio » Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:09 am

cassowary wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Putin simply calculated that it is better to make China an ally than risk their anger by cozying up to the West. Russia has a long border with China in sparsely population Siberia which China wants back. The only reason China is not doing nasty things to Russia is because it sees America as the main threat. Once it kicks America out from the Western Pacific, it will turn against Russia. Then Russia will cozy up to the West.
Sometimes I wonder whether you are truly Chinese since you seem to be incapable of understanding China. The only thing China is against is the US presence and influence in East/South East Asia. Once that settled China will not be against anything, and it will be very much in favour of peaceful coexistence and trade in order to improve the standard of living of the Chinese people. Of course the Chinese will always take advantage of other peoples' lack of economic skill in order to get richer, but those who are economically competent have nothing to fear from China.

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Re: I fear for the future

Post by Doc » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:57 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:09 am
cassowary wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Putin simply calculated that it is better to make China an ally than risk their anger by cozying up to the West. Russia has a long border with China in sparsely population Siberia which China wants back. The only reason China is not doing nasty things to Russia is because it sees America as the main threat. Once it kicks America out from the Western Pacific, it will turn against Russia. Then Russia will cozy up to the West.
Sometimes I wonder whether you are truly Chinese since you seem to be incapable of understanding China. The only thing China is against is the US presence and influence in East/South East Asia. Once that settled China will not be against anything, and it will be very much in favour of peaceful coexistence and trade in order to improve the standard of living of the Chinese people. Of course the Chinese will always take advantage of other peoples' lack of economic skill in order to get richer, but those who are economically competent have nothing to fear from China.
In that vien can I wonder if you are a member of the human race? :roll:

You are delusional Sertorio in your belief of CCP benevolence . The leadership of the CCP is both foolish and self serving at the same time. Their message in Alaska was that the CCP will no longer follow international rules of behavior. Not that they ever particularly followed those rules. Just that they are so arrogant that they actually believe they can pull off CCP world hegemony without causing a catastrophe for the human race.

Taiwan is today's 1938 Czechoslovakia.
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Re: I fear for the future

Post by cassowary » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:25 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:09 am
cassowary wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Putin simply calculated that it is better to make China an ally than risk their anger by cozying up to the West. Russia has a long border with China in sparsely population Siberia which China wants back. The only reason China is not doing nasty things to Russia is because it sees America as the main threat. Once it kicks America out from the Western Pacific, it will turn against Russia. Then Russia will cozy up to the West.
Sometimes I wonder whether you are truly Chinese since you seem to be incapable of understanding China. The only thing China is against is the US presence and influence in East/South East Asia. Once that settled China will not be against anything, and it will be very much in favour of peaceful coexistence and trade in order to improve the standard of living of the Chinese people. Of course the Chinese will always take advantage of other peoples' lack of economic skill in order to get richer, but those who are economically competent have nothing to fear from China.
I sometimes wonder if you are from cloud cuckoo land instead of Portugal. You think you understand the Chinese better than I do. Obviously, the Chinese in HK think like me rather than like you. They understand the threat to our freedoms from CCP controlled China.
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Re: I fear for the future

Post by Sertorio » Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:52 am

Doc wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:57 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:09 am
cassowary wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Putin simply calculated that it is better to make China an ally than risk their anger by cozying up to the West. Russia has a long border with China in sparsely population Siberia which China wants back. The only reason China is not doing nasty things to Russia is because it sees America as the main threat. Once it kicks America out from the Western Pacific, it will turn against Russia. Then Russia will cozy up to the West.
Sometimes I wonder whether you are truly Chinese since you seem to be incapable of understanding China. The only thing China is against is the US presence and influence in East/South East Asia. Once that settled China will not be against anything, and it will be very much in favour of peaceful coexistence and trade in order to improve the standard of living of the Chinese people. Of course the Chinese will always take advantage of other peoples' lack of economic skill in order to get richer, but those who are economically competent have nothing to fear from China.
In that vien can I wonder if you are a member of the human race? :roll:

You are delusional Sertorio in your belief of CCP benevolence . The leadership of the CCP is both foolish and self serving at the same time. Their message in Alaska was that the CCP will no longer follow international rules of behavior. Not that they ever particularly followed those rules. Just that they are so arrogant that they actually believe they can pull off CCP world hegemony without causing a catastrophe for the human race.

Taiwan is today's 1938 Czechoslovakia.
The US has as much right to interfere with the issues of Taiwan, Hong Kong, the Uighurs and Tibet as China would have the right to interfere with the illegal take over of Hawaii by the US, the genocide against native Americans, their seclusion in reservations or the racist killings in the US. In international relations the golden rule is respect for other countries sovereignty and the use of diplomacy in settling conflicts. But the US only knows one rule: "Might is Right". Except that the US is no longer mighty enough to do as it pleases...

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Re: I fear for the future

Post by neverfail » Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:18 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:52 am
Sometimes I wonder whether you are truly Chinese since you seem to be incapable of understanding China. The only thing China is against is the US presence and influence in East/South East Asia. Once that settled China will not be against anything, and it will be very much in favour of peaceful coexistence and trade in order to improve the standard of living of the Chinese people.
When are you going to give up living in your world of make-believe, Sertorio?

It is not even that Cassowary does not understand China. It is you YOU with your fastasising of the socialist paradise to come who seems intentionally blind to the abuse and misuse of power in places like China and Russia.

You should instead take heed of the truism "'Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.'"

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/abs ... utely.html

Ever heard of that phrase Sertorio? Well, now that you have you can forever give up on your childish make-believe that countries ruled by authoritarian power structures like China and Russia are ever going to make this world a better place.

(I am not impressed that up to one in ten Chinese are members of the CCP either. That just means that the corruption that comes with non-accountable absolute power is diffused somewhat more widely throughout mainland Chinese society.)

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