The Future of Russia and of Europe

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Re: The Future of Russia and of Europe

Post by Sertorio » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:35 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:09 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:39 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:25 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:47 pm
Russia should join QUAD?

We are trying to stop China's maritime expansion into the Pacific also.
Maybe. The "good guys" allied themselves with Stalin to fight Hitler and Hirohitho. So maybe we need to do the same with China by allying (temporarily) with Russia. Make no mistake. China will become more powerful than the US. We will need all the allies we can get.

Oh I forgot to mention. India has been trying to get Putin to ally with India against China. Don't forget India is part of the Quad. Note the article I posted. Russia still sells S400 missiles to India but not to China after Xi upsetted Russia with the noisy protests against Vladivostok.
China is only an obstacle to those holding delusions of power... And the Chinese were civilized when the ancestors of present day Americans were still living in caves...
Well, this current regime in Bejing is not civilized. You are deluded in thinking if America is vanquished your dream of Socialism will triumph. China is officially a communist country but in reality it is an aristocracy of princelings.
I'm not interested in China's socialism(?), I am interested in China's ability to put an end to US imperialist warmongering...

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Re: The Future of Russia and of Europe

Post by cassowary » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:19 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:35 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:09 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:39 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:25 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:47 pm
Russia should join QUAD?

We are trying to stop China's maritime expansion into the Pacific also.
Maybe. The "good guys" allied themselves with Stalin to fight Hitler and Hirohitho. So maybe we need to do the same with China by allying (temporarily) with Russia. Make no mistake. China will become more powerful than the US. We will need all the allies we can get.

Oh I forgot to mention. India has been trying to get Putin to ally with India against China. Don't forget India is part of the Quad. Note the article I posted. Russia still sells S400 missiles to India but not to China after Xi upsetted Russia with the noisy protests against Vladivostok.
China is only an obstacle to those holding delusions of power... And the Chinese were civilized when the ancestors of present day Americans were still living in caves...
Well, this current regime in Bejing is not civilized. You are deluded in thinking if America is vanquished your dream of Socialism will triumph. China is officially a communist country but in reality it is an aristocracy of princelings.
I'm not interested in China's socialism(?), I am interested in China's ability to put an end to US imperialist warmongering...
You got it wrong Sertorio. It’s China that is now the imperialist power and we are relying on America to protect us.

Better see a shrink.
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Re: The Future of Russia and of Europe

Post by Sertorio » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:30 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:19 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:35 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:09 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:39 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:25 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:47 pm
Russia should join QUAD?

We are trying to stop China's maritime expansion into the Pacific also.
Maybe. The "good guys" allied themselves with Stalin to fight Hitler and Hirohitho. So maybe we need to do the same with China by allying (temporarily) with Russia. Make no mistake. China will become more powerful than the US. We will need all the allies we can get.

Oh I forgot to mention. India has been trying to get Putin to ally with India against China. Don't forget India is part of the Quad. Note the article I posted. Russia still sells S400 missiles to India but not to China after Xi upsetted Russia with the noisy protests against Vladivostok.
China is only an obstacle to those holding delusions of power... And the Chinese were civilized when the ancestors of present day Americans were still living in caves...
Well, this current regime in Bejing is not civilized. You are deluded in thinking if America is vanquished your dream of Socialism will triumph. China is officially a communist country but in reality it is an aristocracy of princelings.
I'm not interested in China's socialism(?), I am interested in China's ability to put an end to US imperialist warmongering...
You got it wrong Sertorio. It’s China that is now the imperialist power and we are relying on America to protect us.

Better see a shrink.
If she were young and pretty I might... By the way, how does yours look like?... :D

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Re: The Future of Russia and of Europe

Post by cassowary » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:10 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:30 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:19 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:35 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:09 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:39 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:25 am


Maybe. The "good guys" allied themselves with Stalin to fight Hitler and Hirohitho. So maybe we need to do the same with China by allying (temporarily) with Russia. Make no mistake. China will become more powerful than the US. We will need all the allies we can get.

Oh I forgot to mention. India has been trying to get Putin to ally with India against China. Don't forget India is part of the Quad. Note the article I posted. Russia still sells S400 missiles to India but not to China after Xi upsetted Russia with the noisy protests against Vladivostok.
China is only an obstacle to those holding delusions of power... And the Chinese were civilized when the ancestors of present day Americans were still living in caves...
Well, this current regime in Bejing is not civilized. You are deluded in thinking if America is vanquished your dream of Socialism will triumph. China is officially a communist country but in reality it is an aristocracy of princelings.
I'm not interested in China's socialism(?), I am interested in China's ability to put an end to US imperialist warmongering...
You got it wrong Sertorio. It’s China that is now the imperialist power and we are relying on America to protect us.

Better see a shrink.
If she were young and pretty I might... By the way, how does yours look like?... :D
Old and ugly. Hahaha
The Imp :D

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Re: The Future of Russia and of Europe

Post by Sertorio » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:24 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:25 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:47 pm
Russia should join QUAD?

We are trying to stop China's maritime expansion into the Pacific also.
Maybe. The "good guys" allied themselves with Stalin to fight Hitler and Hirohitho. So maybe we need to do the same with China by allying (temporarily) with Russia. Make no mistake. China will become more powerful than the US. We will need all the allies we can get.

Oh I forgot to mention. India has been trying to get Putin to ally with India against China. Don't forget India is part of the Quad. Note the article I posted. Russia still sells S400 missiles to India but not to China after Xi upsetted Russia with the noisy protests against Vladivostok.
India, China Establish Hotline Communication to Cool Down Border Tension
by Rishikesh Kumar

https://sputniknews.com/world/202102261 ... r-tension/

The first phase of disengagement after an intense 9-month border stand-off was completed in the contested Pangong Tso on 19 February. The military commanders of the Indian army and People’s Liberation Army (PLA) have held their 10th round of meetings to disengage at other friction points along the Line of Actual Control.

Emphasising the need to implement the consensus reached during their bilateral meeting in Moscow last year, the foreign ministers of India and China have agreed to take the long view of the bilateral ties in order to resolve the differences along the border at earliest.

“Once disengagement is completed at all friction points, then the two sides could also look at a broader de-escalation of troops in the area and work towards a restoration of peace and tranquillity,” Indian Foreign Minister Jaishankar conveyed to his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi on Thursday evening during a 75-minute telephone conversation.

The ministers noted the completion of disengagement in the Pangong Lake area and emphasised that both sides should now quickly resolve the remaining issues along the Line of Actual Control in Eastern Ladakh.

The Indian foreign minister said that boundary questions may take time to resolve but the disturbance of peace and tranquillity, including violence, will inevitably have a damaging impact on their relationship.

Wang Yi said that the two sides must cherish the current hard-won situation, jointly consolidate existing achievements, maintain the momentum of consultations and further ease the situation.

The two Asian giants, which have $78 billion in trade ties, agreed to further improve the border control mechanism to avoid the negative cycle in bilateral relations.

Despite Border Tensions, China Replaces US as India's Largest Trading Partner

The two ministers have also announced the setting up of a communication hotline to exchange views in a timely manner.

The 10th round of the Senior Commanders meeting between the two countries was held on 20 February and they exchanged in-depth views on the remaining issues like in Hot Springs, and Gogra along the loosely demarcated Line of Actual Control.

The Indian Army and People's Liberation Army stationed over 50,000 additional troops each at several friction points along the Line of Actual Control last year after a major stand-off broke out over border infrastructure.

The stand-off started in April 2020 over border infrastructure near Pangong Tso and escalated into a violent clash on 15-16 June, in which 20 Indian soldiers and four Chinese soldiers were killed.
So much for the Quad being an instrument to contain China. India decides to go its own way in establishing a relationship with China...

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Re: The Future of Russia and of Europe

Post by cassowary » Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:02 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:24 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:25 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:47 pm
Russia should join QUAD?

We are trying to stop China's maritime expansion into the Pacific also.
Maybe. The "good guys" allied themselves with Stalin to fight Hitler and Hirohitho. So maybe we need to do the same with China by allying (temporarily) with Russia. Make no mistake. China will become more powerful than the US. We will need all the allies we can get.

Oh I forgot to mention. India has been trying to get Putin to ally with India against China. Don't forget India is part of the Quad. Note the article I posted. Russia still sells S400 missiles to India but not to China after Xi upsetted Russia with the noisy protests against Vladivostok.
India, China Establish Hotline Communication to Cool Down Border Tension
by Rishikesh Kumar

https://sputniknews.com/world/202102261 ... r-tension/

The first phase of disengagement after an intense 9-month border stand-off was completed in the contested Pangong Tso on 19 February. The military commanders of the Indian army and People’s Liberation Army (PLA) have held their 10th round of meetings to disengage at other friction points along the Line of Actual Control.

Emphasising the need to implement the consensus reached during their bilateral meeting in Moscow last year, the foreign ministers of India and China have agreed to take the long view of the bilateral ties in order to resolve the differences along the border at earliest.

“Once disengagement is completed at all friction points, then the two sides could also look at a broader de-escalation of troops in the area and work towards a restoration of peace and tranquillity,” Indian Foreign Minister Jaishankar conveyed to his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi on Thursday evening during a 75-minute telephone conversation.

The ministers noted the completion of disengagement in the Pangong Lake area and emphasised that both sides should now quickly resolve the remaining issues along the Line of Actual Control in Eastern Ladakh.

The Indian foreign minister said that boundary questions may take time to resolve but the disturbance of peace and tranquillity, including violence, will inevitably have a damaging impact on their relationship.

Wang Yi said that the two sides must cherish the current hard-won situation, jointly consolidate existing achievements, maintain the momentum of consultations and further ease the situation.

The two Asian giants, which have $78 billion in trade ties, agreed to further improve the border control mechanism to avoid the negative cycle in bilateral relations.

Despite Border Tensions, China Replaces US as India's Largest Trading Partner

The two ministers have also announced the setting up of a communication hotline to exchange views in a timely manner.

The 10th round of the Senior Commanders meeting between the two countries was held on 20 February and they exchanged in-depth views on the remaining issues like in Hot Springs, and Gogra along the loosely demarcated Line of Actual Control.

The Indian Army and People's Liberation Army stationed over 50,000 additional troops each at several friction points along the Line of Actual Control last year after a major stand-off broke out over border infrastructure.

The stand-off started in April 2020 over border infrastructure near Pangong Tso and escalated into a violent clash on 15-16 June, in which 20 Indian soldiers and four Chinese soldiers were killed.
So much for the Quad being an instrument to contain China. India decides to go its own way in establishing a relationship with China...
During the Cold War, the US and USSR also had a hotline. It didn’t mean that both sides were buddy buddies. Both India and China are nuclear powers. So it makes sense to have a hotline. India will want US and Russian help to contain China. Maybe India holds the key in turning the quad into a quintet.
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Re: The Future of Russia and of Europe

Post by neverfail » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:28 pm

cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:02 am
During the Cold War, the US and USSR also had a hotline. It didn’t mean that both sides were buddy buddies. Both India and China are nuclear powers. So it makes sense to have a hotline. India will want US and Russian help to contain China. Maybe India holds the key in turning the quad into a quintet.
Well put, Cass! The US -- USSR hotline was installed to avert a thermonuclear catastrophe should something unforseen ever go wrong on one side or the other. The India- China hotline will similarly serve the same useful purpose.

Now, what about an India - Pakistan hotline: recalling that China and India are not the only nuclear armed powers in Asia?

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Re: The Future of Russia and of Europe

Post by cassowary » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:49 pm

neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:28 pm
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:02 am
During the Cold War, the US and USSR also had a hotline. It didn’t mean that both sides were buddy buddies. Both India and China are nuclear powers. So it makes sense to have a hotline. India will want US and Russian help to contain China. Maybe India holds the key in turning the quad into a quintet.
Well put, Cass! The US -- USSR hotline was installed to avert a thermonuclear catastrophe should something unforseen ever go wrong on one side or the other. The India- China hotline will similarly serve the same useful purpose.

Now, what about an India - Pakistan hotline: recalling that China and India are not the only nuclear armed powers in Asia?
Yes, that sounds like a good idea. The close distance means decision makers on both sides only have minutes to decide whether to press the button. No time to head to an underground bunker.
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