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mRNA Vaccines

Post by Sertorio » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:00 pm

In view of several cases of death, paralysis and other harmful consequences of the Pfizer jabs which have occurred mostly in Norway, Israel and the US, I have decided to refuse vaccination if the vaccine used in Portugal is either the Pfizer or the Moderna mRNA type vaccine.

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Re: mRNA Vaccines

Post by cassowary » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:03 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:00 pm
In view of several cases of death, paralysis and other harmful consequences of the Pfizer jabs which have occurred mostly in Norway, Israel and the US, I have decided to refuse vaccination if the vaccine used in Portugal is either the Pfizer or the Moderna mRNA type vaccine.
I think you rather take the Russian or the Chinese vaccines because you don't like the US and capitalism.
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Re: mRNA Vaccines

Post by Doc » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:18 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:00 pm
In view of several cases of death, paralysis and other harmful consequences of the Pfizer jabs which have occurred mostly in Norway, Israel and the US, I have decided to refuse vaccination if the vaccine used in Portugal is either the Pfizer or the Moderna mRNA type vaccine.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-secu ... st-pfizer/

After Chinese Vaccine Fails, China Launches Smear Campaign Against Pfizer


Having posted that personally I would prefer a non mRNA vaccine OR if no choice the Moderna vaccine over Pfizer. The Chinese Vaccine? It barely meets international standards for effectiveness. In Sao Paulo it was made mandatory and no one wants it.
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Re: mRNA Vaccines

Post by Sertorio » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:28 am

Doc wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:18 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:00 pm
In view of several cases of death, paralysis and other harmful consequences of the Pfizer jabs which have occurred mostly in Norway, Israel and the US, I have decided to refuse vaccination if the vaccine used in Portugal is either the Pfizer or the Moderna mRNA type vaccine.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-secu ... st-pfizer/

After Chinese Vaccine Fails, China Launches Smear Campaign Against Pfizer


Having posted that personally I would prefer a non mRNA vaccine OR if no choice the Moderna vaccine over Pfizer. The Chinese Vaccine? It barely meets international standards for effectiveness. In Sao Paulo it was made mandatory and no one wants it.
There are more alternatives to the mRNA vaccines. Why do you focus on the Chinese vaccines? The EU is in the process of approving the Russian Sputnik V vaccine.

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Re: mRNA Vaccines

Post by Sertorio » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:47 am

Doc wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:18 am
After Chinese Vaccine Fails, China Launches Smear Campaign Against Pfizer

Chinese smear campaign?
Norway Raises Concern Over Vaccine Jabs for the Elderly
By Lars Erik Taraldsen - January 16, 2021

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... f=ZMFHsM5Z

Norway expressed increasing concern about the safety of the Pfizer Inc. vaccine on elderly people with serious underlying health conditions after raising an estimate of the number who died after receiving inoculations to 29.

The latest figure adds six to the number of known fatalities in Norway, and lowers the age group thought to be affected to 75 from 80. While it’s unclear exactly when the deaths occurred, Norway has given at least one dose to about 42,000 people and focused on those considered most at risk if they contract the virus, including the elderly.

Until Friday, the vaccine produced by Pfizer and BioNTech SE was the only one available in Norway, and “all deaths are thus linked to this vaccine,” the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in a written response to Bloomberg on Saturday.

“There are 13 deaths that have been assessed, and we are aware of another 16 deaths that are currently being assessed,” the agency said. All the reported deaths related to “elderly people with serious basic disorders,” it said. “Most people have experienced the expected side effects of the vaccine, such as nausea and vomiting, fever, local reactions at the injection site, and worsening of their underlying condition.”

Official reports of allergic reactions have been rare as governments rush to roll out vaccines to try to contain the global pandemic. U.S. authorities reported 21 cases of severe allergic reactions from Dec. 14-23 after administration of about 1.9 million initial doses of the Pfizer vaccine. The first Europe-wide safety report on the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is due to be published at the end of January.

Australia’s Concern

Australia, which has an agreement for 10 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine, is seeking urgent information on the issue from the producer, health authorities and Norway’s government, Health Minister Greg Hunt told reporters in Melbourne on Sunday.

Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration will seek “additional information, both from the company, but also from the Norwegian medical regulator,” Hunt said. Australia’s foreign ministry will also contact its counterpart in Norway on the issue.

Norway’s experience doesn’t mean that younger, healthier people should avoid being vaccinated. But it’s an early indication of what to watch as countries begin to issue safety monitoring reports on the vaccines. Emer Cooke, the new head of the European Medicines Agency, has said tracking the safety of Covid vaccines, especially those relying on novel technologies such as messenger RNA, would be one of the biggest challenges once shots are rolled out widely.

Though the two Covid-19 vaccines approved so far in Europe were tested in tens of thousands of people -- including volunteers in their late 80s and 90s -- the average trial participant was in his or her early 50s. The first people to be immunized in many places have been older than that as countries rush to inoculate nursing-home residents at high risk from the virus.

Too Risky

The findings have prompted Norway to suggest that Covid-19 vaccines may be too risky for the very old and terminally ill, the most cautious statement yet from a European health authority.

The Norwegian Institute of Public Health judges that “for those with the most severe frailty, even relatively mild vaccine side effects can have serious consequences. For those who have a very short remaining life span anyway, the benefit of the vaccine may be marginal or irrelevant.”

Pfizer and BioNTech are working with the Norwegian regulator to investigate the deaths in Norway, Pfizer said in an e-mailed statement. The agency found that “the number of incidents so far is not alarming, and in line with expectations,” Pfizer said.

“We are aware that deaths have also been reported in other countries, but do not have full details of this yet,” Norway’s medicines agency said. “There are also differences between countries in who is prioritized for vaccination, and this could also affect the reporting of side effects, including death.”

“The Norwegian Medicines Agency has communicated, prior to the vaccination, that when vaccinating the oldest and sickest, it is expected that deaths will occur in a time-related context with vaccination. This does not mean that there is a causal link between vaccination and death. We have also, in connection with the reported deaths, conveyed that it is possible that common and known side effects of the vaccines may have been a contributing factor to a serious course or fatal outcome,” the agency said.

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Re: mRNA Vaccines

Post by Sertorio » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:54 am

California Recommends to Suspend Moderna Vaccine Batch Due to High Number of Adverse Events
by Evgeny Mikhaylov
https://sputniknews.com/us/202101181081 ... se-events/

Moderna, the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are currently reviewing the batch after around 10 people suffered "a possible severe allergic reaction".

According to the California Department of Public Health, doses from Moderna Lot 041L20A are suspected of causing a "higher-than-usual number of adverse events", and should be put away before a probe is concluded.

The said incidents appear to be localised at a single community clinic, which was reportedly closed for several hours after the adverse reactions were reported. In total, the batch of 330,000 doses has been distributed to 287 providers across the state, but this is the first time an allergic reaction to it has been reported, state epidemiologist Dr Erica S. Pan said.

An acute allergic reaction was previously reported in Boston in December after a physician received a Moderna vaccine. At the same time, American medical authorities are also probing several cases of severe reactions to the Pfizer/ BioNTech coronavirus medication.

California is the worst-hit US state, with around 3 million infected (1 million of them in Los Angeles) and over 33,000 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

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Re: mRNA Vaccines

Post by Doc » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:01 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:28 am
Doc wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:18 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:00 pm
In view of several cases of death, paralysis and other harmful consequences of the Pfizer jabs which have occurred mostly in Norway, Israel and the US, I have decided to refuse vaccination if the vaccine used in Portugal is either the Pfizer or the Moderna mRNA type vaccine.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-secu ... st-pfizer/

After Chinese Vaccine Fails, China Launches Smear Campaign Against Pfizer


Having posted that personally I would prefer a non mRNA vaccine OR if no choice the Moderna vaccine over Pfizer. The Chinese Vaccine? It barely meets international standards for effectiveness. In Sao Paulo it was made mandatory and no one wants it.
There are more alternatives to the mRNA vaccines. Why do you focus on the Chinese vaccines? The EU is in the process of approving the Russian Sputnik V vaccine.
Because they are only 50.8 percent effective in stopping COVID.
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Re: mRNA Vaccines

Post by Doc » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:07 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:47 am
Doc wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:18 am
After Chinese Vaccine Fails, China Launches Smear Campaign Against Pfizer

Chinese smear campaign?
Norway Raises Concern Over Vaccine Jabs for the Elderly
By Lars Erik Taraldsen - January 16, 2021

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... f=ZMFHsM5Z

Norway expressed increasing concern about the safety of the Pfizer Inc. vaccine on elderly people with serious underlying health conditions after raising an estimate of the number who died after receiving inoculations to 29.

The latest figure adds six to the number of known fatalities in Norway, and lowers the age group thought to be affected to 75 from 80. While it’s unclear exactly when the deaths occurred, Norway has given at least one dose to about 42,000 people and focused on those considered most at risk if they contract the virus, including the elderly.

Until Friday, the vaccine produced by Pfizer and BioNTech SE was the only one available in Norway, and “all deaths are thus linked to this vaccine,” the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in a written response to Bloomberg on Saturday.

“There are 13 deaths that have been assessed, and we are aware of another 16 deaths that are currently being assessed,” the agency said. All the reported deaths related to “elderly people with serious basic disorders,” it said. “Most people have experienced the expected side effects of the vaccine, such as nausea and vomiting, fever, local reactions at the injection site, and worsening of their underlying condition.”

Official reports of allergic reactions have been rare as governments rush to roll out vaccines to try to contain the global pandemic. U.S. authorities reported 21 cases of severe allergic reactions from Dec. 14-23 after administration of about 1.9 million initial doses of the Pfizer vaccine. The first Europe-wide safety report on the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is due to be published at the end of January.

Australia’s Concern

Australia, which has an agreement for 10 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine, is seeking urgent information on the issue from the producer, health authorities and Norway’s government, Health Minister Greg Hunt told reporters in Melbourne on Sunday.

Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration will seek “additional information, both from the company, but also from the Norwegian medical regulator,” Hunt said. Australia’s foreign ministry will also contact its counterpart in Norway on the issue.

Norway’s experience doesn’t mean that younger, healthier people should avoid being vaccinated. But it’s an early indication of what to watch as countries begin to issue safety monitoring reports on the vaccines. Emer Cooke, the new head of the European Medicines Agency, has said tracking the safety of Covid vaccines, especially those relying on novel technologies such as messenger RNA, would be one of the biggest challenges once shots are rolled out widely.

Though the two Covid-19 vaccines approved so far in Europe were tested in tens of thousands of people -- including volunteers in their late 80s and 90s -- the average trial participant was in his or her early 50s. The first people to be immunized in many places have been older than that as countries rush to inoculate nursing-home residents at high risk from the virus.

Too Risky

The findings have prompted Norway to suggest that Covid-19 vaccines may be too risky for the very old and terminally ill, the most cautious statement yet from a European health authority.

The Norwegian Institute of Public Health judges that “for those with the most severe frailty, even relatively mild vaccine side effects can have serious consequences. For those who have a very short remaining life span anyway, the benefit of the vaccine may be marginal or irrelevant.
BINGO !!

Which makes a vaccine that is only 50.8% effective even more questionable. Even more so when the CCP charged the CEO of the company for bribing CCP drug approval officials in the past and the CCP official that took the bribes is serving a 15 year setence for taking those bribes

Pfizer and BioNTech are working with the Norwegian regulator to investigate the deaths in Norway, Pfizer said in an e-mailed statement. The agency found that “the number of incidents so far is not alarming, and in line with expectations,” Pfizer said.

“We are aware that deaths have also been reported in other countries, but do not have full details of this yet,” Norway’s medicines agency said. “There are also differences between countries in who is prioritized for vaccination, and this could also affect the reporting of side effects, including death.”

“The Norwegian Medicines Agency has communicated, prior to the vaccination, that when vaccinating the oldest and sickest, it is expected that deaths will occur in a time-related context with vaccination. This does not mean that there is a causal link between vaccination and death. We have also, in connection with the reported deaths, conveyed that it is possible that common and known side effects of the vaccines may have been a contributing factor to a serious course or fatal outcome,” the agency said.
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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Sputnik Vaccine

Post by cassowary » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:12 pm

Let's wait and see how effective the Sputnick Vaccine is.

Approval of Sputnik Vaccine is delayed because of missing data.
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Re: Sputnik Vaccine

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:06 am

cassowary wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:12 pm
Let's wait and see how effective the Sputnick Vaccine is.

Approval of Sputnik Vaccine is delayed because of missing data.
It must be the first time you take Brazil as an example for anything... :lol:

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