America's Anti-Asian Pandemic

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America's Anti-Asian Pandemic

Post by Sertorio » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:50 am

Al-Jazeera has aired a documentary about anti-Asian racism in the US which maybe you should watch. Quite frightening. Thanks to Trump's anti-China rants a new issue may be contributing to the US falling apart.


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Re: America's Anti-Asian Pandemic

Post by armchair_pundit » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:03 am

One thing a troll like you can be counted on for, Sertorio, is posting the latest rabid anti-American propaganda.

You can be counted on for bringing down the quality of the discussions on this forum. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

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Re: America's Anti-Asian Pandemic

Post by beatnik » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:15 am

There's a lot of things wrong with the US, but it's still one of the least racist countries that I know.

This poll on willingness to live next to a member of a different race is but one example: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... G6&ampcf=1

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Re: America's Anti-Asian Pandemic

Post by Ellen » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:23 am

Yes, I agree with that. A European calling Americans racists is precious. They should look in the mirror.

America liberated the concentration camps on European soil. What were the Portuguese doing in 1945?

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Re: America's Anti-Asian Pandemic

Post by uche africanus » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:56 am

Some of the racism that Europeans practice will be unacceptable in the United States. The black head of Credit Suisse was hosted at party where the actors wore black faces and were sweeping with brooms. This is pure, undiluted racism that can’t happen in the U.S. and if it does and is exposed will invite severe consequences. That said, it also needs re-stating that without the active struggles for equality that racism in America will worst than what it is in Europe.

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Re: America's Anti-Asian Pandemic

Post by Sertorio » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:05 am

Ellen wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:23 am
Yes, I agree with that. A European calling Americans racists is precious. They should look in the mirror.

America liberated the concentration camps on European soil. What were the Portuguese doing in 1945?
In 1945 we were enjoying the return of peace to Europe, but in 1940 we were staying away from the war and receiving Jewish refugees who were turned away by many countries, including the US.

A photo like many others:

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The number of refugees that escaped through Portugal during the war has estimates that range from one hundred thousand to one million; an impressive number considering the size of the country's population at that time (circa 6 million). "In 1940 Lisbon, happiness was staged so that God could believe it still existed," wrote the French writer Antoine de Saint-Exupéry. The Portuguese capital became a symbol of hope for many refugees. Even Ilsa and Rick, the star-crossed lovers in the film Casablanca, sought a ticket to that "great embarkation point". Thousands flooded the city trying to obtain the documents necessary to escape to the United States or Palestine. Not all found their way.

On 26 June 1940, four days after France's capitulation to Germany, Salazar authorised the main Office of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society ( HIAS-HICEM) in Paris to be transferred to Lisbon. According to the Lisbon Jewish community, Salazar held Moisés Bensabat Amzalak, the leader of the Lisbon Jewish community, in high esteem, allowing Amzalak to play an important role in getting Salazar's permission for the transfer.

In July 1940, the civilian population of Gibraltar was evacuated due to expected attacks expected from Germany and Italy. At that time, Portuguese Madeira agreed to host about 2,500 Gibraltarian evacuees, mostly women and children, who arrived at Funchal between 21 July and 13 August 1940 and who remained there until the end of the war. In 2010 a monument was commissioned in Gibraltar and shipped to Madeira where it was erected next to a small chapel at Santa Catarina park, Funchal. The monument was a gift and a symbol of ever-lasting appreciation from the people of Gibraltar to the people of Madeira.

The Portuguese consul general in Bordeaux, Aristides de Sousa Mendes, helped an undetermined number of refugees, and his actions were not unique by any means. Issuing visas in contravention of instructions was widespread at Portuguese consulates all over Europe, although some cases were directly supported by Salazar. The Portuguese Ambassador in Budapest, Carlos Sampaio Garrido, helped an estimated 1,000 Hungarian Jews in 1944. Along with Carlos de Liz-Texeira Branquinho, under Salazar's direct guidance, they rented houses and apartments to shelter and protect refugees from deportation and murder. On 28 April 1944, the Hungarian Gestapo raided the ambassador's home and arrested his guests. The ambassador, who physically resisted the police, was also arrested, but managed to have his guests released on the grounds of extraterritoriality of diplomatic legations. In 2010, Garrido was recognised as Righteous Among the Nations by Yad Vashem. Other Portuguese who deserve credit for saving Jews during the war include Professor Francisco Paula Leite Pinto and Moisés Bensabat Amzalak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_ ... r_refugees
Ellen, maybe you should be ashamed of yourself...

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Re: America's Anti-Asian Pandemic

Post by Sertorio » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:16 am

armchair_pundit wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:03 am
One thing a troll like you can be counted on for, Sertorio, is posting the latest rabid anti-American propaganda.

You can be counted on for bringing down the quality of the discussions on this forum. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
I am just a counterpoint to your exceptionalist delusions... And I do not lie. You may not like being confronted with your sad reality, but that's something I cannot do anything about...

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Re: America's Anti-Asian Pandemic

Post by neverfail » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:23 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:05 am

In 1945 we were enjoying the return of peace to Europe, but in 1940 we were staying away from the war and receiving Jewish refugees who were turned away by many countries, including the US.

A photo like many others:

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The number of refugees that escaped through Portugal during the war has estimates that range from one hundred thousand to one million; an impressive number considering the size of the country's population at that time (circa 6 million). "In 1940 Lisbon, happiness was staged so that God could believe it still existed," wrote the French writer Antoine de Saint-Exupéry. The Portuguese capital became a symbol of hope for many refugees. Even Ilsa and Rick, the star-crossed lovers in the film Casablanca, sought a ticket to that "great embarkation point". Thousands flooded the city trying to obtain the documents necessary to escape to the United States or Palestine. Not all found their way.

On 26 June 1940, four days after France's capitulation to Germany, Salazar authorised the main Office of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society ( HIAS-HICEM) in Paris to be transferred to Lisbon. According to the Lisbon Jewish community, Salazar held Moisés Bensabat Amzalak, the leader of the Lisbon Jewish community, in high esteem, allowing Amzalak to play an important role in getting Salazar's permission for the transfer.

In July 1940, the civilian population of Gibraltar was evacuated due to expected attacks expected from Germany and Italy. At that time, Portuguese Madeira agreed to host about 2,500 Gibraltarian evacuees, mostly women and children, who arrived at Funchal between 21 July and 13 August 1940 and who remained there until the end of the war. In 2010 a monument was commissioned in Gibraltar and shipped to Madeira where it was erected next to a small chapel at Santa Catarina park, Funchal. The monument was a gift and a symbol of ever-lasting appreciation from the people of Gibraltar to the people of Madeira.

The Portuguese consul general in Bordeaux, Aristides de Sousa Mendes, helped an undetermined number of refugees, and his actions were not unique by any means. Issuing visas in contravention of instructions was widespread at Portuguese consulates all over Europe, although some cases were directly supported by Salazar. The Portuguese Ambassador in Budapest, Carlos Sampaio Garrido, helped an estimated 1,000 Hungarian Jews in 1944. Along with Carlos de Liz-Texeira Branquinho, under Salazar's direct guidance, they rented houses and apartments to shelter and protect refugees from deportation and murder. On 28 April 1944, the Hungarian Gestapo raided the ambassador's home and arrested his guests. The ambassador, who physically resisted the police, was also arrested, but managed to have his guests released on the grounds of extraterritoriality of diplomatic legations. In 2010, Garrido was recognised as Righteous Among the Nations by Yad Vashem. Other Portuguese who deserve credit for saving Jews during the war include Professor Francisco Paula Leite Pinto and Moisés Bensabat Amzalak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_ ... r_refugees
Quite a laudable record Sertorio; especially considering that neither Salazar nor Portugal had anything to gain by arousing the ire of the Third Reich.

May I suggest that Portugal was helped by geography. The closest that German troops got to Portugal was the Franco-Spanish border - and that only in 1943 after the Third Reich overran and occupied Vichy France. In other words it had the girth of another neutral country bigger than itself to act as "padding" against the closest forces of arguably the most homocidally anti-Jewish power the world has ever seen.

If Portugal had German troops poised on its border throughout the war that may have curbed Salazar's apparent enthusiasm for rescuing Jews.

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Re: America's Anti-Asian Pandemic

Post by neverfail » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:31 pm

uche africanus wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:56 am
Some of the racism that Europeans practice will be unacceptable in the United States. The black head of Credit Suisse was hosted at party where the actors wore black faces and were sweeping with brooms. This is pure, undiluted racism that can’t happen in the U.S. and if it does and is exposed will invite severe consequences. That said, it also needs re-stating that without the active struggles for equality that racism in America will worst than what it is in Europe.
The head of Credit Suisse, a major banking corporation, was (is?) a black man? How could he have possibly gained such an appointment in the midst of "racist" Europe? Surely you contradict yourself Uche?

In recent times I have seen multiple news reports of cops killing blacks in the USA but not one such report eminating from Europe.

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Re: America's Anti-Asian Pandemic

Post by Sertorio » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:35 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:23 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:05 am

In 1945 we were enjoying the return of peace to Europe, but in 1940 we were staying away from the war and receiving Jewish refugees who were turned away by many countries, including the US.

A photo like many others:

Image
The number of refugees that escaped through Portugal during the war has estimates that range from one hundred thousand to one million; an impressive number considering the size of the country's population at that time (circa 6 million). "In 1940 Lisbon, happiness was staged so that God could believe it still existed," wrote the French writer Antoine de Saint-Exupéry. The Portuguese capital became a symbol of hope for many refugees. Even Ilsa and Rick, the star-crossed lovers in the film Casablanca, sought a ticket to that "great embarkation point". Thousands flooded the city trying to obtain the documents necessary to escape to the United States or Palestine. Not all found their way.

On 26 June 1940, four days after France's capitulation to Germany, Salazar authorised the main Office of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society ( HIAS-HICEM) in Paris to be transferred to Lisbon. According to the Lisbon Jewish community, Salazar held Moisés Bensabat Amzalak, the leader of the Lisbon Jewish community, in high esteem, allowing Amzalak to play an important role in getting Salazar's permission for the transfer.

In July 1940, the civilian population of Gibraltar was evacuated due to expected attacks expected from Germany and Italy. At that time, Portuguese Madeira agreed to host about 2,500 Gibraltarian evacuees, mostly women and children, who arrived at Funchal between 21 July and 13 August 1940 and who remained there until the end of the war. In 2010 a monument was commissioned in Gibraltar and shipped to Madeira where it was erected next to a small chapel at Santa Catarina park, Funchal. The monument was a gift and a symbol of ever-lasting appreciation from the people of Gibraltar to the people of Madeira.

The Portuguese consul general in Bordeaux, Aristides de Sousa Mendes, helped an undetermined number of refugees, and his actions were not unique by any means. Issuing visas in contravention of instructions was widespread at Portuguese consulates all over Europe, although some cases were directly supported by Salazar. The Portuguese Ambassador in Budapest, Carlos Sampaio Garrido, helped an estimated 1,000 Hungarian Jews in 1944. Along with Carlos de Liz-Texeira Branquinho, under Salazar's direct guidance, they rented houses and apartments to shelter and protect refugees from deportation and murder. On 28 April 1944, the Hungarian Gestapo raided the ambassador's home and arrested his guests. The ambassador, who physically resisted the police, was also arrested, but managed to have his guests released on the grounds of extraterritoriality of diplomatic legations. In 2010, Garrido was recognised as Righteous Among the Nations by Yad Vashem. Other Portuguese who deserve credit for saving Jews during the war include Professor Francisco Paula Leite Pinto and Moisés Bensabat Amzalak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_ ... r_refugees
Quite a laudable record Sertorio; especially considering that neither Salazar nor Portugal had anything to gain by arousing the ire of the Third Reich.

May I suggest that Portugal was helped by geography. The closest that German troops got to Portugal was the Franco-Spanish border - and that only in 1943 after the Third Reich overran and occupied Vichy France. In other words it had the girth of another neutral country bigger than itself to act as "padding" against the closest forces of arguably the most homocidally anti-Jewish power the world has ever seen.

If Portugal had German troops poised on its border throughout the war that may have curbed Salazar's apparent enthusiasm for rescuing Jews.
Thank you for your kind words, Neverfail. I don't usually go around drawing the attention for any good things my country may have done, but Ellen pissed me. Because she disagrees with my criticism of American policies - not American people -, and because she has no valid arguments to counter my views, she decided to swing at Portugal for its apparent passivity while the US was freeing people from concentration camps. She preferred to forget that many people did not need being freed by US forces, because they had been able to escape occupied Europe via Portugal. I would not be surprised if some of Ellen's relatives or acquaintances lived because of the help Portugal gave them, but Ellen is one of those persons who never remembers or ever apologizes...

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