You overlooked the return of the Jews at the time of Persian King, Cyrus the Great. Then after the Persians were defeated by Alexander the Great, the Greeks ruled the area till the revolt against the Seleucids that led to the Jewish Kingdom of the Maccabees.neverfail wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:13 pmYou are using the word "owned" in the technical, legalistic sense. They still lived there for the better part of 1,000 years while all but a small handfull of the world's Jewry were abscent abroad in the dispersion.
Yes they are more indigenous than these others. There was a majority gentile population living in Palestine from at least 500AD onward. These gentiles would have been initally Orthodox Christians - bearing in mind that the region was at the time part of the Byzantine Empire. In the centuries after the Arab conquest conversions from Orthodox Christianity to Islam resulted in Muslim majority in the aftermath of the Crusades. So the roots of the gentile majority population of Palestine is both ancient and contiguous even though not consistently Islamic in creed and Arabic in culture.The Arabs came to the Land of Israel (renamed Palestine, by the Romans) only in the 7th century with the Islamic conquest. They are no more indigenous than the British or the Turks or the Crusaders. The fact that they would like to begin history in the 7th century, when the Islamic conquests were carried out, is their self-interested choice. Recorded history begins when it actually begins, not when the Arabs want it to begin.
You are distorting the historical record again for the sake of scoring ethnocentric partisan points. Yes, King David did unify a gaggle of formerly autonomous Hebrew tribes into a unitary kingdom but that early kingdom broke up into two seperate soverignties, the northern kingdom of Israel (home to ten of the twelve Hebrew tribes) and the kingdom of Judea, (home to only two). Israel drifted off into various forms of heresy and apostasy and was extinguished by the arrival of the Assyrian conquerer - which led them off into servile captivity abroad from which they never returned. To make sure that they could never return the Assyrians (they were not stupid ) even repopulated the vacated lands and townships with a mix gentile settlers drawn from Assyria's subject peoples. Less than a century later it was the turn of Judea (from whence we derive the name "Jew") to suffer the same fate. The Chaldian empire, also based in Mesopotamia, led the Jews off to their legendary 80 years of Babalonian captivity on the banks of the Tigrus. At this historical point the patrimony of David and Solomon was arguably rendered extinguished, null and void.Israel was created and maintained as an identifiable and independent state only starting with King David and under Jewish rule. Under all other rulers (Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Crusaders, Muslim rulers, Turks, and British) it was merely a province of a larger empire. It was a backwater of no significance. What made it significant was its connection to Judaism, and therefore subsequently to Christianity. The Arab claim to Israel therefore, is the claim of a conqueror.
Just to point out that even the occupancy of the holy land by the chosen people was not in the least contiguous even in ancient times. Anyone who therefore attempts to make out a case in favour of Jewish primacy as owners of this country on the basis that "we had an ancient kingdom there" (ignoring the fact that this only came about via a Hebrew invasion, conquest and dispossion - i.e. a violent theft - at cost to the previous owners, the Canaanites) is guilty of promoting a hoax.
I would compare the long abscence of the Jews in the (approx. 6th century to early/mid 20th century) dispersion to a magnified version of the that earlier period after the extinction of ancient Israel and Judea when the chosen people had been replaced as owners and occupants by a gentile population.
The attempt to justify the existence of modern Israel with the argument "we once had a soverign kingdom at the time of David and Solomon" is therefore absurd. So what else?
(By the way Ellen: I take note of and exception to that tone of contemptuous scorn refloected in your references to Arabs generally and Palestinian Arabs in particular. Are you not aware that Jewish effontery is offensive to all gentiles and has no doubt provoked more than one anti-semetic riot in countries overseas where Jews have historically sought sanctuary over the centuries?)
It was not just King David.
There was a Jewish kingdom, albeit a vassal state of Romans ruled by Herod’s descendants, till the Romans destroyed it following a revolt against Rome.
The Jews were dispersed till 1947.
Another comment. I suppose the Canaanites might have a better claim than the Jews, if you can find them. Hahaha.