How Democratic Can Anglo Countries Ever Be?

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Re: How Democratic Can Russia Ever Be?

Post by Doc » Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:09 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:43 pm
neverfail wrote:
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Sertorio wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:51 pm

How truthful can Germans ever be?...
In this case plenty truthful - unlike official spokesmen for Puitn's gangster state.
Russians may be many things, but stupid is not one of them. If Russia had wanted to kill Navalny - which I very much doubt - the only method of killing they could never use is novichok, in view of past accusations. They could have pushed him under a bus, thrown him out of a plane, shot or strangled him, but NEVER poison him with novichok. If the Germans are saying they found novichok, either they are lying or they planted it themselves. One has to be a bit dumb to believe anything else.
It was a warning to anyone that would think to challenge Putin.

As for "How democratic can Anglo countries ever be?" How can the common good ever be greater than the individual good? Via some kind of genetic racial "Greater" good? Even if you were addressing "race" as purely human in its spectrum? Like an organism that sheds it less productive cells to die? As though they otherwise worthless? Well such a race would not be human, so I suppose you would have to call it something else. Instead of calling it the master race maybe it should be the monster race under that definition. Just take the man out of the "Hu". With the aim of completely dominating the planet.

Do you know how the EU planned originally to meet the CO2 emission goals of the Kyoto climate accord? They figured they could achieve the reductions by closing all the heavily pollution factories of Eastern Europe. This along with absorbing those Eastern European countries into the Eu of course.

Then they could install "Democratic Socialism" Then surely they thought they would easily meet those climate goals through the strength of socialism. But then. they have never met those goals. The only industrial nation that has is the US. Bastion of individualism and capitalism.
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Re: "democracy" does not mean disorder.

Post by Sertorio » Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:37 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:09 am
Okay Sertorio! Now, to get away from this Russia crap for a time and return to the issue you inagurated at the start of this discussion:
PREGNANT Aussie woman handcuffed & charged with inciting anti-lockdown event on Facebook

The arrest of a woman in Australia for promoting an anti-lockdown protest online has drawn criticism, after video of the incident went viral.
Footage shows officers handcuffing pregnant woman Zoe-Lee Buhler, 28, in her home in Victoria on Wednesday in front of her partner and children.
She starts crying during the arrest, telling police: "I didn't realise I was doing anything wrong."
Authorities have defended the officers, saying they acted appropriately.
Victoria has been in lockdown since July to curb a coronavirus outbreak that has fuelled Australia's second wave.
Authorities have imposed stay-at-home rules and a curfew in Melbourne, the state capital. The lockdown has closed many businesses and banned gatherings around the state.
If that lady was truthful in claiming "I didn't realise I was doing anything wrong" (she sounds naive so she probably was) then she must have been going around oblivious to the news of what was going on all around her.

The salient fact is that our state of Victoria (the second most popullous in Australia - state capital Melbourtne) is desperastely struggling to bring an out-of-control eruption of COVID-19 back into containment. It is the only state in Austeralia to have so far experienced a secondary epidemic like that - the consequence of incompetent quarintining of infected returnees from abroad in Melbourne. So the authorities down there have resorted to some drastic measures to bring this local but deadly epidemic under control.

I am certain those police officers making the arrest would have been doing so in compliance with the law - including the emergency legislation passed by the Victoria state parliament to empower police and other relevant authorities to better cope with the epidemic conditions. As for the woman's profession of ignorence well then, as a judge (father of a school classmate of mine at the time) informed me over half a century ago "ignorence of the law is no excuse for breaking it".

(That principle applies in every country in the world that uses English Common Law as the basis for its own legal system.)
In your opinion, handcuffing a pregnant woman for such an offense (?) is quite normal in Australia...

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Re: "democracy" does not mean disorder.

Post by neverfail » Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:47 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:37 am
In your opinion, handcuffing a pregnant woman for such an offense (?) is quite normal in Australia...
No, but the current Coronavirus upsurge in Victoria is an abnormal circumstance as well.

The woman was inciting others to break the law in ways that would have endangered public health: so I have no sympathy for her.

(P.S. her claim to be pregnant is still unproven. For all that you and I know she may have been lying.)

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