Why do Democrats defend disorder?

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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:35 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:37 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:24 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:46 am
Humans may not want to live without meaning, but Socialism is not the answer. And if you come to think of it, neither is religion...
Not wrong there! I believe that it was one of the great Russian writers of the 19th century (I forget whether Fyodor Dostoevsky or Leo Tolstoy) who observed that there is nothing as potent as conventional religion for standing between God and man.

Which is why I normally focus my attention on cultivating my relationship with God.

What about you?
Religious people, or believers, think that next to the material world there is a spiritual one, made up of spirits, without any connection with matter. They believe in angels, in demons, in god(s) and in souls as the spiritual side of everyone of us. This, to me, doesn't make any sense. There cannot be existence and life without a physical support. Most believers seem to think that our self-consciousness is a spiritual being, when in fact it is the product of our brain and mind. Kill the brain and that self-consciousness disappears - dies. Therefore I do not believe possible a relationship with God, a spiritual being. Our minds created such a being as an answer to the death of the self, a difficult thing for most of us to accept. Because we find it difficult to realize that there is a "self" attached to every conscious being, and that the death of a particular "self" only shifts the awareness to another "self", which has no relation to the first but has all the attributes. Each one of us is like a cell in our organism. When a particular cell dies, the organism does not die, and doesn't even realize that cell has died. Once we overcome our individualistic, personal vision of the universe we solve our relationship with death. Without any need for a God...
But do we really need to? Whether pantheist or panentheist, the Universal Conscious can deplore its own destruction and impress that sentiment in each of its atoms.......

A strange thought - what if a cell wants to envision the body it's a component of? How would it be done and what would be gained by it? It may want to name that conception... something like 'god'......'>........


I have a certain notoriety among the lesser gods........

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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by Sertorio » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:56 am

lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:35 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:37 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:24 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:46 am
Humans may not want to live without meaning, but Socialism is not the answer. And if you come to think of it, neither is religion...
Not wrong there! I believe that it was one of the great Russian writers of the 19th century (I forget whether Fyodor Dostoevsky or Leo Tolstoy) who observed that there is nothing as potent as conventional religion for standing between God and man.

Which is why I normally focus my attention on cultivating my relationship with God.

What about you?
Religious people, or believers, think that next to the material world there is a spiritual one, made up of spirits, without any connection with matter. They believe in angels, in demons, in god(s) and in souls as the spiritual side of everyone of us. This, to me, doesn't make any sense. There cannot be existence and life without a physical support. Most believers seem to think that our self-consciousness is a spiritual being, when in fact it is the product of our brain and mind. Kill the brain and that self-consciousness disappears - dies. Therefore I do not believe possible a relationship with God, a spiritual being. Our minds created such a being as an answer to the death of the self, a difficult thing for most of us to accept. Because we find it difficult to realize that there is a "self" attached to every conscious being, and that the death of a particular "self" only shifts the awareness to another "self", which has no relation to the first but has all the attributes. Each one of us is like a cell in our organism. When a particular cell dies, the organism does not die, and doesn't even realize that cell has died. Once we overcome our individualistic, personal vision of the universe we solve our relationship with death. Without any need for a God...
But do we really need to? Whether pantheist or panentheist, the Universal Conscious can deplore its own destruction and impress that sentiment in each of its atoms.......

A strange thought - what if a cell wants to envision the body it's a component of? How would it be done and what would be gained by it? It may want to name that conception... something like 'god'......'>........
Your thoughts are focused on the right direction, but I think you should dig deeper...

As to the "Universal Conscious", I think it is the last stage, and we aren't there yet... Once we get there, who knows what will be possible...

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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by Milo » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:28 am

armchair_pundit wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:18 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:25 pm
dagbay wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:04 am

In the age of the "cancel culture" opinion polls cannot be remotely accurate.
With blatantly biased and partisan MSM and big tech "truths" are often misrepresented or brazenly substituted for outright lies.
Party affiliates often misrepresent their positions to placate everyone.
Science is politicized such that research is channeled by fame and politics rather than facts and valid test protocols. (Selecting conditions that are certain to deliver the desired results even though not addressing the relevant questions).
Those should be enough to illustrate the point.
:roll: If you dislike the message then shoot the messenger?
He answered your questions quite succinctly and on target. Don't like the message?

Of course, again (and again and again and again) we Americans are so glad we have you to splain our country, culture, history and politics to us.
No he didn't.

No he didn't.

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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by armchair_pundit » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:43 am

Milo wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:28 am
armchair_pundit wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:18 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:25 pm
dagbay wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:04 am

In the age of the "cancel culture" opinion polls cannot be remotely accurate.
With blatantly biased and partisan MSM and big tech "truths" are often misrepresented or brazenly substituted for outright lies.
Party affiliates often misrepresent their positions to placate everyone.
Science is politicized such that research is channeled by fame and politics rather than facts and valid test protocols. (Selecting conditions that are certain to deliver the desired results even though not addressing the relevant questions).
Those should be enough to illustrate the point.
:roll: If you dislike the message then shoot the messenger?
He answered your questions quite succinctly and on target. Don't like the message?

Of course, again (and again and again and again) we Americans are so glad we have you to splain our country, culture, history and politics to us.
No he didn't.

No he didn't.
You want to cross exam, counselor, ask some relevant questions.

(do not ask anyone to do your research for you, all of Dagbay's points have been covered many times here)

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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by Doc » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:04 pm

cassowary wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:45 am
Doc wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:20 pm
lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:55 am
Everybody of that persuasion lives in a Drama. They are the main character, are treated unjustly and everything they do is right. They don't waste time responding to mandible noises from pulp-chewing termites who are even less than an annoyance......
A very telling answer. In this case the question was: Why does the left always attack people without getting the facts then having to walk it back even when the person being attacked was 16 year old caight on video doing nothing but wearing a MAGA Hat:



A)"Because we are desperate to get get Trump out of office"

And they can't help themselves. They can't close their mouths

I have a theory. The Left lives in cloud cuckoo land. They believe in Socialism, where everybody is taken cared of by the state. It does not work, never worked before and never will work.

They have lost their traditional Christian faith, where God will take care of you, either here on earth on later in the hereafter. So they substitute God with an all powerful state who will take care of you.

This is the foundation of their fantasies. It soon spreads to other areas. Those who tell them the truth must be the devil. During the Cold War, they wanted to believe that it is possible and the USSR led the way. So, America, being leader of the free world, must be the devil that stood in the way of this utopia, this "heaven on earth" (Marxist Moses Hess' words).

The USSR is gone, but their "religion" remains. America is still the devil for having giving them their biggest setback. They will disregard all evidence to the contrary to continue their fantasy. We by defeating the USSR. Over here, we have Sertorio who sympathises with dictators like Xi and Putin. He is absolutely convinced that these thugs are better than Trump. To believe otherwise would be to abandon their faith.

It is too painful.
I noticed earlier that #BillClintonIsAPedo was trending on Twitter. That was followed by the left getting #DonaldTrumpIsAPedo on twitter. The reason for the latter is because the left says:
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That explains 95 to 99% of of the left as mindless zombie's that would cut off their noses to spite reality. The other few percent want power or want to protect thier power.
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by neverfail » Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:51 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:37 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:24 am

What about you?
Religious people, or believers, think that next to the material world there is a spiritual one, made up of spirits, without any connection with matter. They believe in angels, in demons, in god(s) and in souls as the spiritual side of everyone of us. This, to me, doesn't make any sense. There cannot be existence and life without a physical support. Most believers seem to think that our self-consciousness is a spiritual being, when in fact it is the product of our brain and mind. Kill the brain and that self-consciousness disappears - dies. Therefore I do not believe possible a relationship with God, a spiritual being. Our minds created such a being as an answer to the death of the self, a difficult thing for most of us to accept.
Sertorio; since, by your own admission, you are not a believer yourself, how would you know what believers believe in?

Surely lack of empathy with your subject matter disqualifies you from having any meaningful insight?

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:37 am
Because we find it difficult to realize that there is a "self" attached to every conscious being, and that the death of a particular "self" only shifts the awareness to another "self", which has no relation to the first but has all the attributes. Each one of us is like a cell in our organism. When a particular cell dies, the organism does not die, and doesn't even realize that cell has died. Once we overcome our individualistic, personal vision of the universe we solve our relationship with death. Without any need for a God...
"Self?

Thats the point: in the abscence of a God centered universe we and up with a self-centered one.

Is that supposed to be an improvement?

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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by Sertorio » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:28 am

neverfail wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:51 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:37 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:24 am

What about you?
Religious people, or believers, think that next to the material world there is a spiritual one, made up of spirits, without any connection with matter. They believe in angels, in demons, in god(s) and in souls as the spiritual side of everyone of us. This, to me, doesn't make any sense. There cannot be existence and life without a physical support. Most believers seem to think that our self-consciousness is a spiritual being, when in fact it is the product of our brain and mind. Kill the brain and that self-consciousness disappears - dies. Therefore I do not believe possible a relationship with God, a spiritual being. Our minds created such a being as an answer to the death of the self, a difficult thing for most of us to accept.
Sertorio; since, by your own admission, you are not a believer yourself, how would you know what believers believe in?

Surely lack of empathy with your subject matter disqualifies you from having any meaningful insight?

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:37 am
Because we find it difficult to realize that there is a "self" attached to every conscious being, and that the death of a particular "self" only shifts the awareness to another "self", which has no relation to the first but has all the attributes. Each one of us is like a cell in our organism. When a particular cell dies, the organism does not die, and doesn't even realize that cell has died. Once we overcome our individualistic, personal vision of the universe we solve our relationship with death. Without any need for a God...
"Self?

Thats the point: in the abscence of a God centered universe we and up with a self-centered one.

Is that supposed to be an improvement?
I doubt you understood my previous post. Before trying to rebut it maybe you should try to understand what I meant and why.

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