Discussion of current events
The Republic of China was historically the first to lay claim to ownership of the islets, reefs and shoals of the South China sea:Sertorio wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:16 pmWhat does that mean, "claim the sea"?... Does it mean preventing other nations from navigating through it? You know it doesn't...
It did so as a move to pre-empt the French: who in early 1946 were then sending an armed expeditionary force to re-impose their colonial rule on Indochina. Before teh Second World War France had lain claim to the reefs, shoals and islets of the South China Sea as an extension to its indochina empire. Unlike the Americans in the Philippines (soverign independence granted in 1946) and the British in India (independence given 1947) the French, possibly as a consolation for the recent historical experience of having been overrun and occupied by Nazi Germany were determined to hang on to every corner of their empire - likely as a salve for bruised pride.The Republic of China claimed owner- ship of all islands in the South China Sea, even though it only occupies two larger islands.
https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/c ... %20islands.
The only other continental European power in south east Asia, the Netherlands in Indonesia, attempted to do them same. It likewise had been overrun and occupied by the Third Reich.
The Anglo-Saxon powers were content to cede independence while the more irredentist continental European ones, probably as consolation for bruised pride, wanted their overseas empires back.
(The Anglos were content to move foreward while the continentals strove to set the clock back )
But I digress.
Whoever can establish soverignty over the islets, shoals and reefs automatically owns the seabed and waters as well. Under the prevailing law of the sea there is no such thing as owning the islands but not the surrounding seas.An exclusive economic zone extends from the baseline to a maximum of 200 nautical miles (370.4 km; 230.2 mi), thus it includes the contiguous zone. A coastal nation has control of all economic resources within its exclusive economic zone, including fishing, mining, oil exploration, and any pollution of those resources.
Cassowary, please take note!
Wrong. There are international conventions to deal with that issue...cassowary wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:59 am
Sertorio, where have you been? Planet Mars? Can't you see that China does not care about international conventions?Sertorio wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:46 amWrong. There are international conventions to deal with that issue...cassowary wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:59 am
Indeedcassowary wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:32 amSertorio, where have you been? Planet Mars? Can't you see that China does not care about international conventions?Sertorio wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:46 amWrong. There are international conventions to deal with that issue...cassowary wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:59 am
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
Why not?Sertorio wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:53 pm
Because you know them as well as I do.neverfail wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:03 pmWhy not?Sertorio wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:53 pm