The 9 dash line was first drawn by a cartographer when Chiang Kai Shek ruled mainland China. But the Taiwanese do not aggressively claim the sea. They don't have the power to do so and trying to avoid isolation. It cannot afford to offend its neighbors. Nor did Chiang Kai Shek press claims when he was in power in China.neverfail wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:20 pmSo is the "alternative China" Taiwan. It owns the very first outpost built on those disputed islands (in 1946) for the purpose of claiming the South China Sea as Chinese waters.
....and they hold on to Taiping island as a permanently staffed ROC outpost to this very day.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands
In November 1946, the ROC sent naval ships to take control of the islands after the surrender of Japan. It had chosen the largest and perhaps the only inhabitable island, Taiping Island, as its base, and it renamed the island under the name of the naval vessel as Taiping. Also following the defeat of Japan at the end of World War II, the ROC re-claimed the entirety of the Spratly Islands (including Taiping Island) after accepting the Japanese surrender of the islands based on the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations. The Republic of China then garrisoned Itu Aba (Taiping) island in 1946 and posted Chinese flags.
The "nine dotted line" claim to the Islands and waters of the South China Sea was originally a Kuomintang innovation that then PRC "inherited" as baggage from its predecessor only after it came to power at the end of the Chinese civil war (in 1949).
(I notice that the same powers that are today adamently opposed to PRC moves to annex the South China Seas, such as the USA, had no qualms about the KUOMINTANG annexation of those islands and waters back in the latter 1940's. What is the difference? It still repesents the loss of the South China Sea as an international waterway to China. Therein lies the hypocrisy!)
It moves me to wonder whether the more recent moves by the PRC to consolidate its hold on the region is tied up with it's unrelenting drive for legetimacy by the progressive elimination of its old nemesis on Taiwan as rival claiment to being the legetimate government of China.
So what about it Cassowary? If the PRC is guilty of going against internationalm rules and norms by occupying the islands, was not Chiang Kai Checks crowd guilty of exactly then same sin?
Does not the Republic of China (Taiwan) still demonstrate the same contempt by continuing to maintain that outpost on Taiping Island?
I told you long ago, Neverfail. If you want to understand any country's thinking, you have to look at its history. I showed you Utube videos of China's changing borders over the millennia two or three times here. Over the many millennia, China expanded when they were strong and contracted or even fractured when they were weak. That had been the historical pattern.
You didn't take it seriously before and even said something like, "Its their turn now". Now it is following the same path as did Chinese emperors of ages ago. Xi is a modern day emperor. He sees an appeal to Chinese pride and nationalism to be the only way to maintain power for the CCP. The CCP is encouraging the Chinese people to have the same mindset as the Germans did after their defeat in WWI.
That is humiliation and a thirst of revenge. The CCP is encouraging this. We should all be worried. America alone cannot stand against the Chinese behemoth. It needs allies - Japan, India especially. The US needs to withdraw its troops from Europe so that it can focus on China. Let the rich, spoilt Europeans defend themselves against Russia. They have the means to do it. So don't let the bums get away with it.
So long as the CCP is in power, the US and its allies in Asia are heading for a confrontation with unpredictable results. I still believe that a military conflict is unlikely in the nuclear age. It will more be a economic and technological contest. Our best hope for a peaceful, prosperous Asia will be to bring about a democratic regime in China. Democracies rarely go to war against other democracies. An open society will bring up new ideas and the Chinese will learn there is no need to dominate others to restore national prestige. A democratic China will break the historical pattern.