Money and Votes for radicals comes from wealthy Capitalists

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Money and Votes for radicals comes from wealthy Capitalists

Post by dagbay » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:47 am

This strange fact has been nagging me for years; the money and votes for progressive's is coming from powerful capitalists and people who ostensibly vote against their own interest. In the case of recent politics I vividly recall a street interview of an Obama voter who was appalled that Obama Actually implemented fiscal policies that he campaigned on and we're destructive to that voter's business.
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Re: Money and Votes for radicals comes from wealthy Capitalists

Post by Milo » Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:30 am

IMO, it's a byproduct of the American party system.

In Canada we usually have about five parties on the go and people can choose how dark a shade of red or blue they want. It's not entirely a protest to vote for one of the smaller parties either, right now the mainstream Liberal party relies on the more socialist NDP to stay in power; it's not the first time. The Conservatives have cut deals with the Separatists in the past.

In America a vote for any party other than the Democrats or Republicans typically wastes your vote or is a vote against your interests: vote Green for instance and you will help the Republicans because it's a vote the Democrats won't get. In fact, American mainstream parties have been caught any number of times covertly supporting fringe parties to syphon votes away from their opponents.

In addition, this forces the mainstream candidates to dishonesty. For example, I am sure Obama was in favour of same sex marriage all along but he lied about it because he had a huge, conservative party to handle. After a while the numbers changed and he was on his last term anyway, so he could implement it.

The media loves it because it caters to the lowest common denominator: they want only two sides for anything, so they don't scare away the morons. The parties love it because it makes the backroom deals between them easier.

The American people know something is wrong but it has no franchise, so it never comes up. Because of American media dominance in the world, few find out there's another way, and that in fact it is the dominant way in the world. So the American people continue in this dysfunctional situation, without being aware of what the problem is. The situation is tailor made to breed cynicism and division:

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Re: Money and Votes for radicals comes from wealthy Capitalists

Post by dagbay » Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:49 am

Milo wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:30 am
IMO, it's a byproduct of the American party system.

In Canada we usually have about five parties on the go and people can choose how dark a shade of red or blue they want. It's not entirely a protest to vote for one of the smaller parties either, right now the mainstream Liberal party relies on the more socialist NDP to stay in power; it's not the first time. The Conservatives have cut deals with the Separatists in the past.

In America a vote for any party other than the Democrats or Republicans typically wastes your vote or is a vote against your interests: vote Green for instance and you will help the Republicans because it's a vote the Democrats won't get. In fact, American mainstream parties have been caught any number of times covertly supporting fringe parties to syphon votes away from their opponents.

In addition, this forces the mainstream candidates to dishonesty. For example, I am sure Obama was in favour of same sex marriage all along but he lied about it because he had a huge, conservative party to handle. After a while the numbers changed and he was on his last term anyway, so he could implement it.

The media loves it because it caters to the lowest common denominator: they want only two sides for anything, so they don't scare away the morons. The parties love it because it makes the backroom deals between them easier.

The American people know something is wrong but it has no franchise, so it never comes up. Because of American media dominance in the world, few find out there's another way, and that in fact it is the dominant way in the world. So the American people continue in this dysfunctional situation, without being aware of what the problem is. The situation is tailor made to breed cynicism and division:
Milo, I will not be the one to defend the two party system in the USA. Nor do I feel that Canadian multiple parties yield a better selection of a leader.
However you indicated that in your view the two party systems the cause for the strange behavior of wealth donors and voters who seem to operate against their core beliefs and interests. I fail to see the connection other than the duplicitous behavior of candidate politicians.

What makes a guy or gal who made billions in a significantly capitalist system fund people who vow to radically change the system to block the ladder on which they climbed to make their fortunes?
This is even weirder if one considers the national and world wide benifits that this system offers others.
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Re: Money and Votes for radicals comes from wealthy Capitalists

Post by dagbay » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:52 am

Just wanted to add another observation. When radicals win the day their wealthy donors will either be devastated financially or become part of the ruling class. But what good is it to live in a closed group island with few options to venture out. What about one future generations of that ruling elite? Who will the mingle with - the same limited group? What a life?
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Re: Money and Votes for radicals comes from wealthy Capitalists

Post by cassowary » Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:44 am

dagbay wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:47 am
This strange fact has been nagging me for years; the money and votes for progressive's is coming from powerful capitalists and people who ostensibly vote against their own interest. In the case of recent politics I vividly recall a street interview of an Obama voter who was appalled that Obama Actually implemented fiscal policies that he campaigned on and we're destructive to that voter's business.
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Re: Money and Votes for radicals comes from wealthy Capitalists

Post by dagbay » Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:46 pm

cassowary wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:44 am
dagbay wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:47 am
This strange fact has been nagging me for years; the money and votes for progressive's is coming from powerful capitalists and people who ostensibly vote against their own interest. In the case of recent politics I vividly recall a street interview of an Obama voter who was appalled that Obama Actually implemented fiscal policies that he campaigned on and we're destructive to that voter's business.
[url]https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... _work.html[\url]
Because they were stupid. Or they didn’t think oBUMa meant it.
Yeah they did not belive he would do it but he did, now how do you explain their funding and votes the second time? When the stakes are that high one does not have the luxury to ignore what the candidates say that they plan to do.
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