You are exasperratingly stubborn!cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:05 amI am incorrigibly correct.neverfail wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:19 amOn August 20, 1968, the Soviet Union led Warsaw Pact troops in an invasion of Czechoslovakia to crack down on reformist trends in Prague. Although the Soviet Union's action successfully halted the pace of reform in Czechoslovakia, it had unintended consequences for the unity of the communist bloc.
" Freedom" means nothing if it does not include the right to hold political opinions contrary to the mainstream.
You convey the impression that these clever, more politically astute than average commie subversives took over the leadership of the anti-war movement. I was not in the USA during those Vietnam War protest years but was here in an allied state where we had a near replica anti-War movement. Yes, even here we had known Communists involved in the anti-war movement but I can assure you that they did not win converts to their creed - they were merely tolerated by the other (non-commie) protesters as sympathetic fellow-travellers. itr would have neen the same in the USA. I was here Cassowary in a position to observe and take note - you were in no such position in Singapore where there were no such protest movement. So I deal in first hand facts while you are promoting hearsay.
Indeed, something that might surprise you happened to the Commuinist Party of Australia during the latter Vietnam War years - it imploded!
To inform you:
This blatant armed intervention in central Europe in the midst of the Vietnam War for the purpose of replacing a popular government with one servile to the USSR looked so much like imperialist aggression by the Communist superpower that it tore the rug of moral ascendancy from under the feet of all who had previously looked to the Soviet Uniion as representing "the wave of the future". That very evening the leader of our Communist Party, when cornered by a TV news interviewer, made a public statement condemning the Soviet military intervention.https://history.state.gov/milestones/19 ... ist%20bloc.
On August 20, 1968, the Soviet Union led Warsaw Pact troops in an invasion of Czechoslovakia to crack down on reformist trends in Prague. Although the Soviet Union's action successfully halted the pace of reform in Czechoslovakia, it had unintended consequences for the unity of the communist bloc.
Moscow retalliated by cutting off its money subsidy to this errant Australian sister party.
The mood of the time was probably summed up by a bit of grafitti painted by someone on a railway bridgDe adjacent to Sydney's Central railway station - CZECH SO-VIET NAM. No one tried to remove that slogan for the next 20 years.
Communist party delegates from throughout the West stood up at the Comintern meeting in Russia the following year and roundly condemned the Warsaw Pact intervention in Czechoslovakia - much to Moscow's embarrasment. Despite the vocal stand taken by the leadership of our Communist Party many members resigned in protest - having discovered that socialism was not what they thought it was.
Now, i'll bet that you were unaware that Communists could make a principlied stand like that, did you? Well they did!
Just as I bet you were unaware that the 1968 Soviet led invasion of Czechoslovakia to replace a (still ostensively socialist) government that the leadership in Moscow disapproved of? Just as you are likely unaware that revolutionary upheaval known as the "Prague spring" that brought that government to power had ever taken place? There is so bloody much from that era that you are abyssmally ignorent about Cassowary - so spare my tremper and cease being a know-all promoting your ignorence over this website.
...and herein lies the problem. As an unforseen bi-product of that US decade of intervention in Vietnam the countries closer Malacca Strait might well have been spared Communist takeovers. However LKY was WRONG to consider that it was a "noble deed". It was an immense shambolic policy blunder undertaken by Washington DC based upon a complete misunderstanding of the situation there.cassowary wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:31 amAll LKY said was that the Americans saved us in SE Asia even though the US failed to save Indo-China. This implied that he saw US involvement in Vietnam as a noble deed. Why Lee did not send our fledgling army to Vietnam? Its not because we thought it was not a noble cause. Oh No. We saw it as another version of our own Malayan Emergency with the Americans taking the role of British, Australians and Kiwis and even Rhodesians.
I would even humbly suggest that LKY was wrong in attributing the strengthing of the Malacca littoral states (incl. Singapore) to that US Vietnam intervention. Likely it had more to do with something that happened closer to home in 1965-66. Remember the failed coup attempt and subsequent violent upheaval in Indonesia that ended the Indonesian Communist Party and its grip on the Sukarno government (as well as the murder of hundreds of thousands of ethnic Chinese as incidental "roadkill")? That changed the political landscape of south east Asia. Prior to that upheaval western diplomats and journalists based in Jakarta assessed Indonesia as the most likely next S E Asian domino to "go commie" as the saying of the time went. They had focused their attention too much on the influence of the PKI on President Sukaro without taking note of the resentment that was building up against it among the Javanese peasantry.
That upheaval turned Indonesia, the largest, most heavily populated S E Asian state, implacably anti-Communist.
Your view of things has been shaped too much by experience with Communist insurgency immediately on your own home turf. That has shaped a narrow, misleading view of things on your part Cass.