Australia is arming itself "just in case".

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Re: The PRC used to be so wonderfully friendly.

Post by neverfail » Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:24 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:17 am

Like all "Anglos", and with your usual "anglo" arrogance,.....[/quyote} :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now, what was that you asserted in a recent post about your aversion for ethnic stigmatising and profiling? You seem to bhe applying a double standard here.
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:17 am
you refuse to see anything but your own interest. Australia has no grudges against China, as none of its legitimate interests have been affected by any Chinese policies. But subservient to US interests you have started a useless conflict with China over the origin of the coronavirus. And now you further antagonize China over Hong Kong, forgetting Hong Kong is a Chinese internal affair. Even if you disagree with the limited freedom enjoyed by the Chinese as a whole, it's not up to you to interfere in that issue. There are other issues worthier of your attention - such as the genocide in Yemen started by Saudi with the help of "anglo" weapons - but that doesn't seem to bother Australia.

As far as Hong Kong is concerned, if I were the Chinese government, I would take up the British offer of UK passports and dump 3 million Hong Kong Chinese at the doorstep of the UK - and Australia - and let you offer them the benefits of British liberty...
Calm down. Sertorio! You are right that we out here have no grudge against China but we do have a healthy sense of our own security and a burning desire to ensure our own survival indefinitely into the future. Within the past decade the PRC has demonstrated utter contempt for the rights and interets of its smaller neighbours bordering the South China Sea. Bearing in mind that my country is also smaller than China in terms of democraphic size, economic size and military clout alike: what guarantee does this give us that in the long run the PRC will be any more respectful towards us? None whatsoever! Only a guarantee that if this new regional and global bullyboy is not stopped in its tracks it will eventually reach out and consume us in like manner.

Hong Kong? No, it is not entirely a domestic PRC affair at all. The unilateral annulment of the one country but two systems autonomy agreement that it entered into at the time that the UK handed Hong Kong soverignty over to the PRC (which does not lapse until 2047) demonstrates Beijing's unwillingness to honour its international treaty committments when the political convenience of the ruling party comes into play. It is therefore not a "domestic" PRC matter at all but very much international. Since Beijing sees fit to treat its international committments as matters of short-term tactical convenience in such a cavalier fashion then it firmly establishes the regime as untrustworthy. What guatrantee do we have that it will abide by any of their other international treaty obligations? None at all!

So Sertorio: will you kindly remove the blinkers you wear over your eyes and cease offering up specious excuses for the bad behaviour this regime? Youn are attempting to defend the indefendable.

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Re: The PRC used to be so wonderfully friendly.

Post by cassowary » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:27 pm

neverfail wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:24 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:17 am

Like all "Anglos", and with your usual "anglo" arrogance,.....[/quyote} :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now, what was that you asserted in a recent post about your aversion for ethnic stigmatising and profiling? You seem to bhe applying a double standard here.
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:17 am
you refuse to see anything but your own interest. Australia has no grudges against China, as none of its legitimate interests have been affected by any Chinese policies. But subservient to US interests you have started a useless conflict with China over the origin of the coronavirus. And now you further antagonize China over Hong Kong, forgetting Hong Kong is a Chinese internal affair. Even if you disagree with the limited freedom enjoyed by the Chinese as a whole, it's not up to you to interfere in that issue. There are other issues worthier of your attention - such as the genocide in Yemen started by Saudi with the help of "anglo" weapons - but that doesn't seem to bother Australia.

As far as Hong Kong is concerned, if I were the Chinese government, I would take up the British offer of UK passports and dump 3 million Hong Kong Chinese at the doorstep of the UK - and Australia - and let you offer them the benefits of British liberty...
Calm down. Sertorio! You are right that we out here have no grudge against China but we do have a healthy sense of our own security and a burning desire to ensure our own survival indefinitely into the future. Within the past decade the PRC has demonstrated utter contempt for the rights and interets of its smaller neighbours bordering the South China Sea. Bearing in mind that my country is also smaller than China in terms of democraphic size, economic size and military clout alike: what guarantee does this give us that in the long run the PRC will be any more respectful towards us? None whatsoever! Only a guarantee that if this new regional and global bullyboy is not stopped in its tracks it will eventually reach out and consume us in like manner.

Hong Kong? No, it is not entirely a domestic PRC affair at all. The unilateral annulment of the one country but two systems autonomy agreement that it entered into at the time that the UK handed Hong Kong soverignty over to the PRC (which does not lapse until 2047) demonstrates Beijing's unwillingness to honour its international treaty committments when the political convenience of the ruling party comes into play. It is therefore not a "domestic" PRC matter at all but very much international. Since Beijing sees fit to treat its international committments as matters of short-term tactical convenience in such a cavalier fashion then it firmly establishes the regime as untrustworthy. What guatrantee do we have that it will abide by any of their other international treaty obligations? None at all!

So Sertorio: will you kindly remove the blinkers you wear over your eyes and cease offering up specious excuses for the bad behaviour this regime? Youn are attempting to defend the indefendable.
Bravo. I agree with every word you said, Neverfail. But I am afraid talking to Sertorio is like talking to a brick wall.
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Re: The PRC used to be so wonderfully friendly.

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:38 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:24 pm

Calm down. Sertorio! You are right that we out here have no grudge against China but we do have a healthy sense of our own security and a burning desire to ensure our own survival indefinitely into the future. Within the past decade the PRC has demonstrated utter contempt for the rights and interets of its smaller neighbours bordering the South China Sea. Bearing in mind that my country is also smaller than China in terms of democraphic size, economic size and military clout alike: what guarantee does this give us that in the long run the PRC will be any more respectful towards us? None whatsoever! Only a guarantee that if this new regional and global bullyboy is not stopped in its tracks it will eventually reach out and consume us in like manner.
In other words, fearing that China may become aggressive towards Australia, and before China actually becomes aggressive, you treat it as an aggressor and thus ensure that China will eventually answer your provocations in an aggressive manner... Very smart, indeed!... :lol:

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Re: The PRC used to be so wonderfully friendly.

Post by neverfail » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:46 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:38 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:24 pm

Calm down. Sertorio! You are right that we out here have no grudge against China but we do have a healthy sense of our own security and a burning desire to ensure our own survival indefinitely into the future. Within the past decade the PRC has demonstrated utter contempt for the rights and interets of its smaller neighbours bordering the South China Sea. Bearing in mind that my country is also smaller than China in terms of democraphic size, economic size and military clout alike: what guarantee does this give us that in the long run the PRC will be any more respectful towards us? None whatsoever! Only a guarantee that if this new regional and global bullyboy is not stopped in its tracks it will eventually reach out and consume us in like manner.
In other words, fearing that China may become aggressive towards Australia, and before China actually becomes aggressive, you treat it as an aggressor and thus ensure that China will eventually answer your provocations in an aggressive manner... Very smart, indeed!... :lol:
Beijing has already made policy moves that harm our interests.

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Re: The PRC used to be so wonderfully friendly.

Post by Sertorio » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:24 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:46 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:38 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:24 pm

Calm down. Sertorio! You are right that we out here have no grudge against China but we do have a healthy sense of our own security and a burning desire to ensure our own survival indefinitely into the future. Within the past decade the PRC has demonstrated utter contempt for the rights and interets of its smaller neighbours bordering the South China Sea. Bearing in mind that my country is also smaller than China in terms of democraphic size, economic size and military clout alike: what guarantee does this give us that in the long run the PRC will be any more respectful towards us? None whatsoever! Only a guarantee that if this new regional and global bullyboy is not stopped in its tracks it will eventually reach out and consume us in like manner.
In other words, fearing that China may become aggressive towards Australia, and before China actually becomes aggressive, you treat it as an aggressor and thus ensure that China will eventually answer your provocations in an aggressive manner... Very smart, indeed!... :lol:
Beijing has already made policy moves that harm our interests.
Such as...

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Re: Australia is arming itself "just in case".

Post by Milo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:19 am

The Meng Wanzhou affair here proves to me that China is an oligarchy, with no laws worthy of the name. That alone is reason to distrust it.

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Re: Australia is arming itself "just in case".

Post by Sertorio » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:31 am

Milo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:19 am
The Meng Wanzhou affair here proves to me that China is an oligarchy, with no laws worthy of the name. That alone is reason to distrust it.
A peculiar example... Meng's extradition was requested on account of a supposed violation of American laws in respect of sanctions on Iran. Does that prove that China is an oligarchy with no laws worthy of the name?... :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: Australia is arming itself "just in case".

Post by Milo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:53 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:31 am
Milo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:19 am
The Meng Wanzhou affair here proves to me that China is an oligarchy, with no laws worthy of the name. That alone is reason to distrust it.
A peculiar example... Meng's extradition was requested on account of a supposed violation of American laws in respect of sanctions on Iran. Does that prove that China is an oligarchy with no laws worthy of the name?... :shock: :shock: :shock:
Meng's extradition was requested on account of allegations of fraud.

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Re: Australia is arming itself "just in case".

Post by neverfail » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:25 pm

Milo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:53 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:31 am
Milo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:19 am
The Meng Wanzhou affair here proves to me that China is an oligarchy, with no laws worthy of the name. That alone is reason to distrust it.
A peculiar example... Meng's extradition was requested on account of a supposed violation of American laws in respect of sanctions on Iran. Does that prove that China is an oligarchy with no laws worthy of the name?... :shock: :shock: :shock:
Meng's extradition was requested on account of allegations of fraud.
The arrest of two Canadians in China who are apparently innnocent of all wrongdoing as hostages against the release of Meng is a blackmail tactic fit for gangsters.

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Re: Australia is arming itself "just in case".

Post by Sertorio » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:33 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:25 pm
Milo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:53 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:31 am
Milo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:19 am
The Meng Wanzhou affair here proves to me that China is an oligarchy, with no laws worthy of the name. That alone is reason to distrust it.
A peculiar example... Meng's extradition was requested on account of a supposed violation of American laws in respect of sanctions on Iran. Does that prove that China is an oligarchy with no laws worthy of the name?... :shock: :shock: :shock:
Meng's extradition was requested on account of allegations of fraud.
The arrest of two Canadians in China who are apparently innnocent of all wrongdoing as hostages against the release of Meng is a blackmail tactic fit for gangsters.
As some Christians say, "an eye for an eye"...

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