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Australia is arming itself "just in case".

Post by neverfail » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:12 pm

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politi ... 557op.html

Australia to buy ship-killing missiles and shift focus to Indo-Pacific

Australia will acquire long-range missiles to protect overseas forces, allies and the mainland against rising threats including China.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison will on Wednesday deliver a major update to the nation's defence strategy, including the purchase of long-range anti-ship missiles from the United States to equip its fleet of Super Hornets.

It will also investigate the possibility of acquiring new long-range missiles that can be launched from the land in the future, including hypersonic missiles that can travel at least five times the speed of sound.

The new strike capability will be acquired to defend Australia and its allies against a number of threats as part of the new strategy, which focuses the nation on protecting itself and its allies in the immediate region of the Indo-Pacific.


In recent decades Europe might well have politicaLLY "STABILISED" (unlike in the pre-World War Two decades) to the point where plenty of Europeans now delude themselves that war is a thing of the past. :( . But in Asia there has been no such retreat from the prospect of war breaking out but the direct opposite: the nations and peoples of Asia are drawing ever further apart making the outbreak of war not only possible but increasingly likely.

The chief destabilising force is of course The Peoples Republic of China.

To survive in such a combustible geopolitical environment Australia needs to be as ready as we can be for any likely contingency. I just wish it were happening during some more prosperous time as our economy is now sinking into post-COVID-19 recession.It means that money is short for defence spending along with all other forms of public expenditure now and into the forseeable future.

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Re: Australia is arming itself "just in case".

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:50 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:12 pm
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politi ... 557op.html

Australia to buy ship-killing missiles and shift focus to Indo-Pacific

Australia will acquire long-range missiles to protect overseas forces, allies and the mainland against rising threats including China.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison will on Wednesday deliver a major update to the nation's defence strategy, including the purchase of long-range anti-ship missiles from the United States to equip its fleet of Super Hornets.

It will also investigate the possibility of acquiring new long-range missiles that can be launched from the land in the future, including hypersonic missiles that can travel at least five times the speed of sound.

The new strike capability will be acquired to defend Australia and its allies against a number of threats as part of the new strategy, which focuses the nation on protecting itself and its allies in the immediate region of the Indo-Pacific.


In recent decades Europe might well have politicaLLY "STABILISED" (unlike in the pre-World War Two decades) to the point where plenty of Europeans now delude themselves that war is a thing of the past. :( . But in Asia there has been no such retreat from the prospect of war breaking out but the direct opposite: the nations and peoples of Asia are drawing ever further apart making the outbreak of war not only possible but increasingly likely.

The chief destabilising force is of course The Peoples Republic of China.

To survive in such a combustible geopolitical environment Australia needs to be as ready as we can be for any likely contingency. I just wish it were happening during some more prosperous time as our economy is now sinking into post-COVID-19 recession.It means that money is short for defence spending along with all other forms of public expenditure now and into the forseeable future.
If I were Australian I would forget about highly sophisticated, very expensive weapons, as the country doesn't have the economic and demographic size to maintain them and make a difference against a major power. I would focus on homeland defense, through asymmetric warfare techniques, capable of making any invasion of the territory very expensive to the invader. That would mean giving military training to the whole population, through a militia system, like the Swiss, and training them in guerrilla warfare. Ten million military capable Australians, equipped with anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons, could become a major headache for any invading Chinese...

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Re: Australia is arming itself "just in case".

Post by neverfail » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:42 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:50 pm

If I were Australian I would forget about highly sophisticated, very expensive weapons, as the country doesn't have the economic and demographic size to maintain them and make a difference against a major power. I would focus on homeland defense, through asymmetric warfare techniques, capable of making any invasion of the territory very expensive to the invader. That would mean giving military training to the whole population, through a militia system, like the Swiss, and training them in guerrilla warfare. Ten million military capable Australians, equipped with anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons, could become a major headache for any invading Chinese...
Thanks Sertorio and I acknowledge that your above suggestion has merit.

Unfortunately, warfare is evolving along lines never before visualised by defence planners:
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/nations-lar ... r-security

The Federal Government will make the nation’s largest ever investment in cyber security, with $1.35 billion over the next decade to enhance the cyber security capabilities and assistance provided to Australians through the Australian Signals Directorate (ASD) and the Australian Cyber Security Centre.

This significant investment, known as the Cyber Enhanced Situational Awareness and Response (CESAR) package, will mean that we can identify more cyber threats, disrupt more foreign cybercriminals, build more partnerships with industry and government and protect more Australians.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said malicious cyber activity against Australia is increasing in frequency, scale and sophistication.


Within the last week our Cyber Security Centre detected an attempted malicious penetration of government websites so sophisticated that they say it could only have been undertaken by a government player. Only five overseas countries, The USA, the UK, Russia, North Korea and The PRC have the means to understake such a caper and of the five only one of them, China, has the motive to attack Australian cyberspace assets. The experts out here are universal in their opinion that is has to have been China.
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When the Wright Brothers successfully invented and flew the World's first heavier than air flying machine (aircraft): neither of them could have forseen that they had inadvertently opened up a new war front. That new war front (air power) became increasingly evident during the First World War and was crucial to the allied victory overr the Axis powers during the Second. Likewise, the inventors of the internet did not and could not have forseen that they were pioneering a new dimension for warfare to be waged on but like the Wright Brothers before them that is exactely what they acheived.

We rely on computers these days for everything. Enemy hackers could potentially delete all of the files in an opposing nation's armed forces website sending their entire order of battle into complete chaos. They could instruct nuclear power plants' reactor cores to go into meltdown or cause the floodgates of dams and reservoirs to open wide; flooding valleys downstream while starving large cities of their town water supply. There is no limit to the amount of mischief that enemy hackers could cause.

They could win a war before the first gunshots are even fired.

In that regard Australia is already in a state of undeclared war with the PRC while the USA has been at war with both that country and the Russian Federation for years.

Scary eh?

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Re: Australia is arming itself "just in case".

Post by neverfail » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:14 am

https://asiatimes.com/2020/07/australia ... -at-china/

Australia defense spending hike aims at China

Australia unveils new $185 billion budget for long-range missiles, space capabilities and other high-speed defense technologies[/quote]

As I sat here preparing this post. I just heard over the television in the next room our Prime Minister comparing the era we are entering now with the 1930's decade when international relations progressively broke down.

When World War Two broke out we were caught short and when Imperial Japan exploded into the conflict in December 1941 we were caught unprepared all over again having loaned divisions of volunteer troops and thousands of airmen to the United Kingdom for use in the war on the other side of the World. I can see that our political leader is determined that the same won't happen to this country again should things take a turn for the worse.

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Re: Australia is arming itself "just in case".

Post by neverfail » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:09 pm

https://www.smh.com.au/national/scott-m ... 558w5.html

It was just a couple of lines in a prime ministerial speech but it gives telling insight into how Scott Morrison sees himself, the country and the world. “We have been a favoured isle, with many natural advantages for many decades,” he said on Wednesday. “But we have not seen the conflation of global economic and strategic uncertainty now being experienced here in Australia, in our region, since the existential threat we faced when the global and regional order collapsed in the 1930s and 1940s.”

It was a terrible time. The Great Depression threw the world into poverty and misery, and fascists rose up to exploit the people’s anger. Led by Hitler in Germany and Tojo in Japan, the fascists cast democracy aside and promised their people a path to national greatness by crushing their neighbours.

It was a moment when human freedom everywhere was in imminent danger of being extinguished. “'The 1930s’ is not so much a label for a period of time than it is rhetorical shorthand – a two-word warning from history,” as Jonathan Freedland of The Guardian once put it. Liberty survived at the expense of the deadliest war in human history.

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Re: Australia is arming itself "just in case".

Post by cassowary » Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:24 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:12 pm

The chief destabilising force is of course The Peoples Republic of China.

To survive in such a combustible geopolitical environment Australia needs to be as ready as we can be for any likely contingency. I just wish it were happening during some more prosperous time as our economy is now sinking into post-COVID-19 recession.It means that money is short for defence spending along with all other forms of public expenditure now and into the forseeable future.
Long ago, I told you so.
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Re: The PRC used to be so wonderfully friendly.

Post by neverfail » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:46 am

cassowary wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:24 pm
neverfail wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:12 pm

The chief destabilising force is of course The Peoples Republic of China.

To survive in such a combustible geopolitical environment Australia needs to be as ready as we can be for any likely contingency. I just wish it were happening during some more prosperous time as our economy is now sinking into post-COVID-19 recession.It means that money is short for defence spending along with all other forms of public expenditure now and into the forseeable future.
Long ago, I told you so.
10, 15 and 20 years ago the PRC had a far more benign image than it does today. In those days it was run by a committee of top Party career bureaucrats who seemed content to simply let the country grow incrementally richer and showed no sign of harbouring upsetting geostrategic and military ambitions. Better still it seemed to have an instable appitite for the raw materials my country had in such abundance and with each and every import contract was helping to make Auatralia richer too. That sort of China we found both easy and very agreeable to live with and of course we hoped that the dream relationship would go on forever. I was among them.

Of course there was one disconcerting instance that should have given us early warning of what the beast was really like - the Tienanimamin Square massacre, 1989. The leader of the free world at the time was President George Bush the elder of the USA and he, a cautious man, made no hostile move against the PRC (softly, softly catchee monkey?) over the massacre. So what could we in Australia have done - contradict our most important ally?

The PRC seems to have become ambitious to assert itself as a global power; no longer content merely to grow wealthy like post WW2 Japan; only since this "new boy" Xi Jinpeng, has come to power with dictatorial powers granted him by his party. It has taken us years to shed our earlier benign impression of that China before XI and accept that China is no longer the country we thought it was.

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Re: The PRC used to be so wonderfully friendly.

Post by Sertorio » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:59 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:46 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:24 pm
neverfail wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:12 pm

The chief destabilising force is of course The Peoples Republic of China.

To survive in such a combustible geopolitical environment Australia needs to be as ready as we can be for any likely contingency. I just wish it were happening during some more prosperous time as our economy is now sinking into post-COVID-19 recession.It means that money is short for defence spending along with all other forms of public expenditure now and into the forseeable future.
Long ago, I told you so.
10, 15 and 20 years ago the PRC had a far more benign image than it does today. In those days it was run by a committee of top Party career bureaucrats who seemed content to simply let the country grow incrementally richer and showed no sign of harbouring upsetting geostrategic and military ambitions. Better still it seemed to have an instable appitite for the raw materials my country had in such abundance and with each and every import contract was helping to make Auatralia richer too. That sort of China we found both easy and very agreeable to live with and of course we hoped that the dream relationship would go on forever. I was among them.

Of course there was one disconcerting instance that should have given us early warning of what the beast was really like - the Tienanimamin Square massacre, 1989. The leader of the free world at the time was President George Bush the elder of the USA and he, a cautious man, made no hostile move against the PRC (softly, softly catchee monkey?) over the massacre. So what could we in Australia have done - contradict our most important ally?

The PRC seems to have become ambitious to assert itself as a global power; no longer content merely to grow wealthy like post WW2 Japan; only since this "new boy" Xi Jinpeng, has come to power with dictatorial powers granted him by his party. It has taken us years to shed our earlier benign impression of that China before XI and accept that China is no longer the country we thought it was.
Countries which insist on being antagonistic and persistently unfriendly towards China will end up having what they seem to fear most - a China ready to defend its interests in a muscular manner. In my country we say that you don't catch flies with vinegar...

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Re: The PRC used to be so wonderfully friendly.

Post by neverfail » Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:21 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:59 am

Countries which insist on being antagonistic and persistently unfriendly towards China will end up having what they seem to fear most - a China ready to defend its interests in a muscular manner. In my country we say that you don't catch flies with vinegar...
SERTORIO : it is CHINA that has become atagonistic and unfriendly, not we. Not merely antigonistic and unfriendly towards my country but towards a number of others in its vicinity including Vietnam; India; Philippines; Japan; Indonesia and Malaysia. All have recently been the victims of highly provocative PRC actions including the ramming of vessels and the annexing of reefs and islands that the World Court rules belongs to South China Sea littoral states; not to China.

(Just in case you walk around with your head tightly jammed up your rear anal passage all day and have therefore missed out on the news from this part of the World. :) )

In response to this newly arrogant China; contemptuous of the interests of its neighbours in a muscular manner; all of the abovementioned are strengthen their defences whilst seeking ways of assisting one another to mutually acheive the same goal.

I am sure that many are also praying that the US voting public will come to its senses and elect a president willing and able to provide US involvment in such an alliance and leadership to The West: something that the present incumbent in The White House has singularly not even pretended to do with his "America First" isolationist revivalism.

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Re: The PRC used to be so wonderfully friendly.

Post by Sertorio » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:17 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:21 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:59 am

Countries which insist on being antagonistic and persistently unfriendly towards China will end up having what they seem to fear most - a China ready to defend its interests in a muscular manner. In my country we say that you don't catch flies with vinegar...
SERTORIO : it is CHINA that has become atagonistic and unfriendly, not we. Not merely antigonistic and unfriendly towards my country but towards a number of others in its vicinity including Vietnam; India; Philippines; Japan; Indonesia and Malaysia. All have recently been the victims of highly provocative PRC actions including the ramming of vessels and the annexing of reefs and islands that the World Court rules belongs to South China Sea littoral states; not to China.

(Just in case you walk around with your head tightly jammed up your rear anal passage all day and have therefore missed out on the news from this part of the World. :) )

In response to this newly arrogant China; contemptuous of the interests of its neighbours in a muscular manner; all of the abovementioned are strengthen their defences whilst seeking ways of assisting one another to mutually acheive the same goal.

I am sure that many are also praying that the US voting public will come to its senses and elect a president willing and able to provide US involvment in such an alliance and leadership to The West: something that the present incumbent in The White House has singularly not even pretended to do with his "America First" isolationist revivalism.
Like all "Anglos", and with your usual "anglo" arrogance, you refuse to see anything but your own interest. Australia has no grudges against China, as none of its legitimate interests have been affected by any Chinese policies. But subservient to US interests you have started a useless conflict with China over the origin of the coronavirus. And now you further antagonize China over Hong Kong, forgetting Hong Kong is a Chinese internal affair. Even if you disagree with the limited freedom enjoyed by the Chinese as a whole, it's not up to you to interfere in that issue. There are other issues worthier of your attention - such as the genocide in Yemen started by Saudi with the help of "anglo" weapons - but that doesn't seem to bother Australia.

As far as Hong Kong is concerned, if I were the Chinese government, I would take up the British offer of UK passports and dump 3 million Hong Kong Chinese at the doorstep of the UK - and Australia - and let you offer them the benefits of British liberty...

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