South Korea’s rise and rise.....(a good news story)

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South Korea’s rise and rise.....(a good news story)

Post by neverfail » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:54 am

https://asiatimes.com/2020/06/south-kor ... es-of-war/

In terms of crisis management and social or health services, Seoul’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic left Washington’s standing. And at a time when US society is racked by violence and disillusionment, South Korea’s tradition of disciplined protest has much to teach Americans about peaceful, mass political mobilization – in other words, democracy.
In every way, this country's rise from the ashes of 1953 has been glorious.

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Post by Sertorio » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:46 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:54 am
https://asiatimes.com/2020/06/south-kor ... es-of-war/

In terms of crisis management and social or health services, Seoul’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic left Washington’s standing. And at a time when US society is racked by violence and disillusionment, South Korea’s tradition of disciplined protest has much to teach Americans about peaceful, mass political mobilization – in other words, democracy.
In every way, this country's rise from the ashes of 1953 has been glorious.
...South Korea’s tradition of disciplined protest...
Not always...

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Post by Milo » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:39 am

SK also managed to get rid of a crazy president through impeachment, something the US can't claim.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Geun-hye

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Post by neverfail » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:02 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:46 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:54 am
https://asiatimes.com/2020/06/south-kor ... es-of-war/

In terms of crisis management and social or health services, Seoul’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic left Washington’s standing. And at a time when US society is racked by violence and disillusionment, South Korea’s tradition of disciplined protest has much to teach Americans about peaceful, mass political mobilization – in other words, democracy.
In every way, this country's rise from the ashes of 1953 has been glorious.
...South Korea’s tradition of disciplined protest...
Not always...

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No country is perfect?

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Re: South Korea’s rise and rise.....(a good news story)

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:07 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:02 pm

No country is perfect?
Of course not. But my point was objecting to stereotypes of all sorts. Whenever I hear someone start saying things like "Russians are..." or "Americans are..." or "Chinese are..." or "Germans are..." or "Japanese are..." or "Italians are...", I run away as fast as I can, because all stereotypes are lies. Unfortunately some people, like our friend Cass, live in a world of stereotypes, no matter how hard we try to make him realize that stereotyping is the first step towards hate speech...

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Post by neverfail » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:40 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:07 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:02 pm

No country is perfect?
Of course not. But my point was objecting to stereotypes of all sorts. Whenever I hear someone start saying things like "Russians are..." or "Americans are..." or "Chinese are..." or "Germans are..." or "Japanese are..." or "Italians are...", I run away as fast as I can, because all stereotypes are lies. Unfortunately some people, like our friend Cass, live in a world of stereotypes, no matter how hard we try to make him realize that stereotyping is the first step towards hate speech...
Your supplied pictures of street protests would seem to date from the end of 1980's; when public protest demonstrations wrested political power from the country's earlier authoritarian regime and transformed the country into the democracy it has remained since.

My opening post was/is not an inspirer of stereotypes but an invitation to the reader to acknowledge the singular acheivements of The Republic of Korea (the country's official name). Extrodinary because they were acomplished agaainst the odds.

Sorry for you if those demonstrations did not turn the country into a socialist state - but with the horrible example of North Korea ever present it might be perfectly understandable if socialism were a hard product to sell.

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Post by Sertorio » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:26 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:40 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:07 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:02 pm

No country is perfect?
Of course not. But my point was objecting to stereotypes of all sorts. Whenever I hear someone start saying things like "Russians are..." or "Americans are..." or "Chinese are..." or "Germans are..." or "Japanese are..." or "Italians are...", I run away as fast as I can, because all stereotypes are lies. Unfortunately some people, like our friend Cass, live in a world of stereotypes, no matter how hard we try to make him realize that stereotyping is the first step towards hate speech...
Your supplied pictures of street protests would seem to date from the end of 1980's; when public protest demonstrations wrested political power from the country's earlier authoritarian regime and transformed the country into the democracy it has remained since.

My opening post was/is not an inspirer of stereotypes but an invitation to the reader to acknowledge the singular acheivements of The Republic of Korea (the country's official name). Extrodinary because they were acomplished agaainst the odds.

Sorry for you if those demonstrations did not turn the country into a socialist state - but with the horrible example of North Korea ever present it might be perfectly understandable if socialism were a hard product to sell.
You still didn't get my point. Which is that all stereotyping, whether positive or negative, is a lie and therefore undesirable. Stereotypes prevent us from seeing reality, with its positive and negative points. And that's why you and some others here, keep speaking of Russia and China as if they were the embodying of evil, and their adversaries the embodying of virtue...The sort of thinking which opens the door to wars.

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Post by neverfail » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:18 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:26 am

You still didn't get my point. Which is that all stereotyping, whether positive or negative, is a lie and therefore undesirable. Stereotypes prevent us from seeing reality, with its positive and negative points. And that's why you and some others here, keep speaking of Russia and China as if they were the embodying of evil, and their adversaries the embodying of virtue...The sort of thinking which opens the door to wars.
So what the f**k does this have to do with the topic; which is South Korea’s rise and rise? :?: :?:

(P.S. I for one do not consider either Russia or China as the embodiment of evil devoid of posative points - but both have authoritarian regimes of government that have turned both into rogue states who impinge upon the soverignty of others. While Putin's Russia appears (so far) to be innocent of wrongdoing towards my country, China with its uber-nationalism is currently making a lot of waves for us. I for one do not take kindly to that.)

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Post by cassowary » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:59 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:54 am
https://asiatimes.com/2020/06/south-kor ... es-of-war/

In terms of crisis management and social or health services, Seoul’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic left Washington’s standing. And at a time when US society is racked by violence and disillusionment, South Korea’s tradition of disciplined protest has much to teach Americans about peaceful, mass political mobilization – in other words, democracy.
In every way, this country's rise from the ashes of 1953 has been glorious.
I believe the main reason for the unrest in the US is because of the Marxists planted by the USSR during the Cold War in elite places - like Universities and the news media. Years of indoctrination by leftist professors that America is evil was seeded during the Cold War years and are now blossoming.

In the case of South Korea, there was less urgency to focus intelligence resources for this long term plan. In fact, South Korea was a dictatorship during most of the Cold War years. This makes it difficult to conduct counter-intelligence operations. America was already an open society and Marxists could operate openly even during the Cold War years.

I recommend you read the books by Ion Pacepa, former head of Rumanian Intelligence. He wrote about Rumanian and KGB efforts to undermine patriotism, Christianity and traditional family in the West. This resulted in calls for open borders, overthrown statues, attacks on Christian values, gay marriage etc.

They could not do that in S Korea or Singapore because the Communists were suppressed.
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Post by neverfail » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:55 am

cassowary wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:59 am

I believe the main reason for the unrest in the US is because of the Marxists planted by the USSR during the Cold War in elite places - like Universities and the news media. Years of indoctrination by leftist professors that America is evil was seeded during the Cold War years and are now blossoming.

In the case of South Korea, there was less urgency to focus intelligence resources for this long term plan. In fact, South Korea was a dictatorship during most of the Cold War years. This makes it difficult to conduct counter-intelligence operations. America was already an open society and Marxists could operate openly even during the Cold War years.
Well it seems to me that even in the case of the USA the Marxists failed.

Despite the well known conformist urge among young Americans aged in their late teens and early twenties - which in the case of college students would have played into the hands of Marxist academics.

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