Putin Says U.S. Is in ‘Deep Internal Crisis’

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Putin Says U.S. Is in ‘Deep Internal Crisis’

Post by neverfail » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:20 am

Do you agree with Prince Vlad of Muscovy's bleak assessment?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/worl ... ogin=email

MOSCOW — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia on Sunday described the United States as a country gripped by a “deep internal crisis” and attributed it to what he said was a refusal by opponents of President Trump to accept his “obvious” 2016 election victory and his legitimacy as leader.

Speaking in his first interview since the coronavirus pandemic hit Russia hard three months ago and forced him to take shelter at his country residence, Mr. Putin also pointed to the racial tensions that have put cities across the United States on edge.

Russia and before that the Soviet Union, he said, always had “lots of sympathy for the fight of African-Americans for their natural rights.” But, Mr. Putin said, when protests “turn into mayhem and pogroms, I see nothing good for the country.”

He described the pulling down of statues as “undoubtedly a destructive phenomenon” and claimed that protests had at times been infected by “radical nationalism and extremism.”
America’s “longstanding” problem with racism, Mr. Putin said, had aggravated a deep crisis of legitimacy that “we have been observing for a long time.” Instead of accepting that Mr. Trump “obviously won in an absolutely democratic way,” supporters of Hillary Clinton “came up with all sorts of fables to cast doubt on his legitimacy,” he said.

Mr. Putin’s comments were broadcast Sunday evening on state television after a weekly television news digest that gave a picture of relentless mayhem on American streets. The host, Dmitri Kiselyov, suggested that the United States today resembles the Soviet Union as it stumbled toward collapse at the end of 1991.

The idea that the United States faces an existential crisis with echoes of the crisis-plagued Soviet empire has become a popular theme in Kremlin-controlled news media outlets in recent days, particularly on television.

“This is their perestroika,” said Vladimir Solovyov, the host of a Sunday night talk show, referring to the chaotic process of reform that Mikhail S. Gorbachev began in the mid-1980s. His goal was to revive the Soviet Union, but it ultimately led to its destruction.

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Re: Putin Says U.S. Is in ‘Deep Internal Crisis’

Post by Sertorio » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:32 am

neverfail wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:20 am
Do you agree with Prince Vlad of Muscovy's bleak assessment?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/worl ... ogin=email

MOSCOW — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia on Sunday described the United States as a country gripped by a “deep internal crisis” and attributed it to what he said was a refusal by opponents of President Trump to accept his “obvious” 2016 election victory and his legitimacy as leader.

Speaking in his first interview since the coronavirus pandemic hit Russia hard three months ago and forced him to take shelter at his country residence, Mr. Putin also pointed to the racial tensions that have put cities across the United States on edge.

Russia and before that the Soviet Union, he said, always had “lots of sympathy for the fight of African-Americans for their natural rights.” But, Mr. Putin said, when protests “turn into mayhem and pogroms, I see nothing good for the country.”

He described the pulling down of statues as “undoubtedly a destructive phenomenon” and claimed that protests had at times been infected by “radical nationalism and extremism.”
America’s “longstanding” problem with racism, Mr. Putin said, had aggravated a deep crisis of legitimacy that “we have been observing for a long time.” Instead of accepting that Mr. Trump “obviously won in an absolutely democratic way,” supporters of Hillary Clinton “came up with all sorts of fables to cast doubt on his legitimacy,” he said.

Mr. Putin’s comments were broadcast Sunday evening on state television after a weekly television news digest that gave a picture of relentless mayhem on American streets. The host, Dmitri Kiselyov, suggested that the United States today resembles the Soviet Union as it stumbled toward collapse at the end of 1991.

The idea that the United States faces an existential crisis with echoes of the crisis-plagued Soviet empire has become a popular theme in Kremlin-controlled news media outlets in recent days, particularly on television.

“This is their perestroika,” said Vladimir Solovyov, the host of a Sunday night talk show, referring to the chaotic process of reform that Mikhail S. Gorbachev began in the mid-1980s. His goal was to revive the Soviet Union, but it ultimately led to its destruction.
He is just trying to embarrass Trump!... :D

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Re: Putin Says U.S. Is in ‘Deep Internal Crisis’

Post by neverfail » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:55 am

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:32 am
He is just trying to embarrass Trump!... :D
But is he succeeding? :D

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Re: Putin Says U.S. Is in ‘Deep Internal Crisis’

Post by Milo » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:43 am

The US will emerge from this stronger than ever.

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Re: Putin Says U.S. Is in ‘Deep Internal Crisis’

Post by armchair_pundit » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:40 am

Milo wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:43 am
The US will emerge from this stronger than ever.

Most likely, if the progressive's don't start another "Summer of Love" ala 1968 and riot at the conventions* and corrupt the election...

May we live in interesting times...


* Joy! I live in the target city for the OrangeMan convention.

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Re: Putin Says U.S. Is in ‘Deep Internal Crisis’

Post by Milo » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:43 am

armchair_pundit wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:40 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:43 am
The US will emerge from this stronger than ever.

Most likely, if the progressive's don't start another "Summer of Love" ala 1968 and riot at the conventions* and corrupt the election...

May we live in interesting times...


* Joy! I live in the target city for the OrangeMan convention.
The US has gone nowhere but up since the summer of love.

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Re: Putin Says U.S. Is in ‘Deep Internal Crisis’

Post by Sertorio » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:04 am

Milo wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:43 am
armchair_pundit wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:40 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:43 am
The US will emerge from this stronger than ever.

Most likely, if the progressive's don't start another "Summer of Love" ala 1968 and riot at the conventions* and corrupt the election...

May we live in interesting times...


* Joy! I live in the target city for the OrangeMan convention.
The US has gone nowhere but up since the summer of love.
Up? Yes. Up the creek without a paddle... ;)

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Re: Putin Says U.S. Is in ‘Deep Internal Crisis’

Post by armchair_pundit » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:54 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:04 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:43 am
armchair_pundit wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:40 am
Milo wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:43 am
The US will emerge from this stronger than ever.

Most likely, if the progressive's don't start another "Summer of Love" ala 1968 and riot at the conventions* and corrupt the election...

May we live in interesting times...


* Joy! I live in the target city for the OrangeMan convention.
The US has gone nowhere but up since the summer of love.
Up? Yes. Up the creek without a paddle... ;)
No, too many paddles going in opposite directions... 8-)

Again, the biggest post WW2 fuckup in world geo-politics is the failure of the West to embrace post Soviet Russia, warts and all...

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Re: Putin Says U.S. Is in ‘Deep Internal Crisis’

Post by neverfail » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:02 pm

Screw the memory of the great juvenile debauch in San Francisco 1968; often mislabeled the summer of love :( . Is Prince Vladimir right or wrong?
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Re: Putin Says U.S. Is in ‘Deep Internal Crisis’

Post by Sertorio » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:10 pm

armchair_pundit wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:54 pm

Again, the biggest post WW2 fuckup in world geo-politics is the failure of the West to embrace post Soviet Russia, warts and all...
The West - mostly the US - never wanted to embrace post Soviet Russia. It only wanted to crush it for good, to make sure there would never be again a country capable of threatening the US empire. Great miscalculation. And now there are TWO competitors for the American crown: Russia and China. And the US is on the way out...

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