War with China?

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Re: War with China?

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:54 pm

Milo wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:26 pm

As a Canadian I know all too well being a long suffering US ally. Consider what would happen though if we shared a border with China!
Mongolia shares a border with China and that doesn't seem to cause them any problems...

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Re: War with China?

Post by Milo » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:06 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:54 pm
Milo wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:26 pm

As a Canadian I know all too well being a long suffering US ally. Consider what would happen though if we shared a border with China!
Mongolia shares a border with China and that doesn't seem to cause them any problems...
Oh good, China only invades and conquers some of their neighbours!

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Re: unfit to lead.

Post by neverfail » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:58 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:14 am

I agree fully with you, except for the last paragraph. Any alliance with the US will be hostage to American interests to the detriment of everybody else's.

With care maybe Japan could become the backbone of a regional alliance for protection against any future designs of China in the region.
Sorry Sertorio; it would not work. South Korea (for one) would NEVER accept Japanese leadership of such an alliance - and I doubt whether other east Asian countries ruled by the Japanese earlier in the 20th century would be keen either.
https://www.theweek.co.uk/102914/what-s ... outh-korea

What’s behind the enmity between Japan and South Korea?
Just in case from your distant perch in Atlantic Europe you are unaware of the bitter dispute currently going on between these two Asian economic giants.

(I believe that on the Korean side the bitterness runs so deep that they would rather put up with Chinese hegemony as Japanese dominance - again.)

Japanese leadership might be acceptable to we Australians (since 1955 we have had a very agreeable association with post WW2 Japan; the Japanese have been respectful towards us in all things) and even India, despite its vain pride in being a superpower in the making, may find Japanese leadership just about acceptable. But not anyone else.
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One might compare Japan's position in eastern Asia with that of Germany in Europe.

Germany has the economic might and the stable institutions of government to lead a pan-European military alliance in place of American-led NATO - but apart possibly for the likes of Portugal which was not invaded by German troops during either World War no one else trusts it.

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Re: War with China?

Post by neverfail » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:16 pm

Milo wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:06 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:54 pm
Milo wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:26 pm

As a Canadian I know all too well being a long suffering US ally. Consider what would happen though if we shared a border with China!
Mongolia shares a border with China and that doesn't seem to cause them any problems...
Oh good, China only invades and conquers some of their neighbours!
Mongolia has the headache of being a landlocked country wedged between a pair of far greater powers both of whom have a history of imperial pretensions.

Today it is an economic dependency of the PRC in all but name. Its only other terrestial neighbour, the Russian Federation, is apparently near useless to it as an economic patron.

During the time of the USSR it was a Soviet client state and protectorate - the price this country had to pay for Soviet protection against the perceived ambitions of China to re-annex their country - bearing in mind that for centuries Mongolia was annexed to China as part of the Manchu Empire.

China has no need to annex Mongolia these days. It has its economic fortunes dangling on the end of a string anyhow.

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Re: War with China?

Post by neverfail » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:57 pm

Milo wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:06 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:54 pm
Milo wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:26 pm

As a Canadian I know all too well being a long suffering US ally. Consider what would happen though if we shared a border with China!
Mongolia shares a border with China and that doesn't seem to cause them any problems...
Oh good, China only invades and conquers some of their neighbours!
P.S. Russia also has a shared border with Mongolia - the only other foreign country that does. Were China to attempt to annex the Republic of Mongolia you could probably count on Russia to jump to Mongolia's defence.

Beijing would understand that and given the cozy relationship China has developed with Putin's Russia would not want such a dispute to disrupt that.

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Re: The erratic Philippines President is finally waking up to reality.

Post by neverfail » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:07 pm

https://asiatimes.com/2020/06/philippin ... china-sea/

Philippines challenging China in South China Sea

MANILA – The Philippines is slowly but surely pushing back against China in the disputed South China Sea, a reflection of revived strategic relations with the United States and a rising need to secure new indigenous energy sources amid an impending economic crisis.

Philippine Department of Energy (DOE) and Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) officials are now lobbying President Rodrigo Duterte to resume stalled energy exploration in the sea to shore up the nation’s sagging energy security and reassert sovereign claim to seabed energy resources contested by China.

Meanwhile, the Department of Justice (DOJ) is pushing for Chinese compensation for Filipino fishermen who nearly drowned during an incident last year in which a Chinese militia vessel sank their wooden boat, named F/B GimVer 1, in waters near the contested and energy-rich Reed Bank.
Beijing is not going to be happy about this. Not one little bit!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sout ... UG20150825

China oil rig to keep drilling in waters disputed with Vietnam
This is the sort of compempt that China treats Vietnam's soverignty over its territorial seas with.

Does any reader believe that Beijing will not react to any attempt by the Philippines to drill for oil and gas in disputed waters in like manner?

(The only drawback is: with erratic, unpredictable President Trump in charge of US foreign policy in the United States, will the Philippines get the unequivocal backing of its old ally? I have my doubts!)

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Re: The erratic Philippines President is finally waking up to reality.

Post by Milo » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:25 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:07 pm
https://asiatimes.com/2020/06/philippin ... china-sea/

Philippines challenging China in South China Sea

MANILA – The Philippines is slowly but surely pushing back against China in the disputed South China Sea, a reflection of revived strategic relations with the United States and a rising need to secure new indigenous energy sources amid an impending economic crisis.

Philippine Department of Energy (DOE) and Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) officials are now lobbying President Rodrigo Duterte to resume stalled energy exploration in the sea to shore up the nation’s sagging energy security and reassert sovereign claim to seabed energy resources contested by China.

Meanwhile, the Department of Justice (DOJ) is pushing for Chinese compensation for Filipino fishermen who nearly drowned during an incident last year in which a Chinese militia vessel sank their wooden boat, named F/B GimVer 1, in waters near the contested and energy-rich Reed Bank.
Beijing is not going to be happy about this. Not one little bit!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sout ... UG20150825

China oil rig to keep drilling in waters disputed with Vietnam
This is the sort of compempt that China treats Vietnam's soverignty over its territorial seas with.

Does any reader believe that Beijing will not react to any attempt by the Philippines to drill for oil and gas in disputed waters in like manner?

(The only drawback is: with erratic, unpredictable President Trump in charge of US foreign policy in the United States, will the Philippines get the unequivocal backing of its old ally? I have my doubts!)
Let's not forget erratic, unpredictable President Duterte!

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Re: The erratic Philippines President is finally waking up to reality.

Post by neverfail » Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:09 am

Milo wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:25 pm

Let's not forget erratic, unpredictable President Duterte!
He now seems to be learning.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKCN12K0AS

His "tilt" at China appears to have been a reaction against the White House owning up that it would not be willing to go to war with China over soverignty over the Scatrborough shoals and reefs.

Despite posturing as a supplicant Duterte gained no more respect from China than previously.

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Re: War with China?

Post by Sertorio » Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:06 am

Some people here seem to have a "Faulty Towers" vision of the world...

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Re: War with China?

Post by neverfail » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:36 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:06 am
Some people here seem to have a "Faulty Towers" vision of the world...
:lol: I wonder who?

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