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Re: "Death by a thousand cuts" for Australia?

Post by Sertorio » Wed May 13, 2020 4:15 am

neverfail wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:37 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 5:18 pm
neverfail wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 4:29 pm
As the next step in warning our government to back off; the PRC has suspended imports of red meat from four abbitiors in eastern Australia - costing this country additional hundreds of millions in export sales. Their excuse this time is "packaging problems".

Strange, it never seemed to bother them before.
Australia could have avoided it by not doing everything the US demands from it and by not insisting on China being responsible for the coronavirus pandemic...
In none of his recent speeches or other public utterances has our Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, apportioned blame on China. All he has asked for is an enquiry.

The over-the-top reaction from Beijing reflects the paranoia of somebody with a guilty conscience who fears being found out.
Again: an enquiry for what purpose?...

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Re: "Death by a thousand cuts" for Australia?

Post by neverfail » Wed May 13, 2020 7:10 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 4:15 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:37 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 5:18 pm
neverfail wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 4:29 pm
As the next step in warning our government to back off; the PRC has suspended imports of red meat from four abbitiors in eastern Australia - costing this country additional hundreds of millions in export sales. Their excuse this time is "packaging problems".

Strange, it never seemed to bother them before.
Australia could have avoided it by not doing everything the US demands from it and by not insisting on China being responsible for the coronavirus pandemic...
In none of his recent speeches or other public utterances has our Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, apportioned blame on China. All he has asked for is an enquiry.

The over-the-top reaction from Beijing reflects the paranoia of somebody with a guilty conscience who fears being found out.
Again: an enquiry for what purpose?...
I am not the Australian government and cannot speak for it but at a guess a good impartial enquiry as to the origins and spread of the virus could acheive two goals:

1. It would help us understand the nature of the virus enabling us worldwide to better combat it.

2. If (as I believe) it proved that COVID-19 was NOT a manmade virus from that Wuhan lab as alleged by some in the USA but a freak occurence of nature then it would pull the rug from under Trump's current China-calumnising campaign for a gratituous election victory therefore providing the basis for a significent improvemment in international relations.

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Re: "Death by a thousand cuts" for Australia?

Post by Sertorio » Wed May 13, 2020 8:46 am

neverfail wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 7:10 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 4:15 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:37 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 5:18 pm
neverfail wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 4:29 pm
As the next step in warning our government to back off; the PRC has suspended imports of red meat from four abbitiors in eastern Australia - costing this country additional hundreds of millions in export sales. Their excuse this time is "packaging problems".

Strange, it never seemed to bother them before.
Australia could have avoided it by not doing everything the US demands from it and by not insisting on China being responsible for the coronavirus pandemic...
In none of his recent speeches or other public utterances has our Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, apportioned blame on China. All he has asked for is an enquiry.

The over-the-top reaction from Beijing reflects the paranoia of somebody with a guilty conscience who fears being found out.
Again: an enquiry for what purpose?...
I am not the Australian government and cannot speak for it but at a guess a good impartial enquiry as to the origins and spread of the virus could acheive two goals:

1. It would help us understand the nature of the virus enabling us worldwide to better combat it.

2. If (as I believe) it proved that COVID-19 was NOT a manmade virus from that Wuhan lab as alleged by some in the USA but a freak occurence of nature then it would pull the rug from under Trump's current China-calumnising campaign for a gratituous election victory therefore providing the basis for a significent improvemment in international relations.
Don't you think that could wait until the crisis is over? Trying to force the issue now is antagonizing China for no purpose whatsoever. To me, that's pretty dumb...

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The CCP"s Long and Sneaky Reach

Post by Milo » Wed May 13, 2020 9:22 am

Chinese-Canadians ‘suffering in silence’ as China’s United Front reaches into Canada

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WATCH ABOVE: Chinese-Canadian Anastasia Lin, a vocal opponent of the Chinese Communist Party and human rights abuses, is now speaking out against the so-called 'United Front,' the networks the Chinese government uses to influence government policy in the West. Robin Gill reports.
For Anastasia Lin, the breakthrough came shortly after her speech at Oxford University in early February.

The 30-year-old Chinese-Canadian actress and beauty pageant winner had been speaking for years about the Chinese Communist Party’s worldwide influence operations, and its human rights abuses. But she had never received vocal support from her community, she says, until her widely shared speech struck a nerve amidst Beijing’s coronavirus response.

Born in Hunan, China, her family immigrated to Vancouver, B.C. when she was 13.

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When she started to take acting jobs, almost by accident, some of the roles drew her into a community of Chinese dissidents and human rights advocates. She describes a process of “awakening” to the indoctrination of her education in China, where citizens are taught to view the West as an enemy and the Communist Party as the sole guardian of Chinese people worldwide.

Lin became so vocal in her criticism of the Communist Party’s influence tactics in Chinese immigrant communities, that after she was crowned Miss World Canada in 2015, and she sought a visa to compete for the world title in China, authorities there denied her application.

READ MORE: United Front groups in Canada helped Beijing stockpile coronavirus safety supplies

Chinese-Canadian community leader asks Ottawa to offer support against Beijing influence networks
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But Lin kept speaking out. And in 2018, the MacDonald-Laurier Institute named Lin as the Ottawa think-tank’s new ambassador on Canada-China policy.
For the University of Toronto graduate, speaking about China’s politics came at a personal cost.

She says her family has been harassed and called “anti-Chinese.” Even more stunning, for Lin, her mother in Vancouver, informed her that Chinese national security agents had questioned a family business colleague in China.

“My mom told me her colleague was visited by Chinese Secret police and they asked about me, in recent years,” Lin said.

“It just made me think, how do they even know about me and care that much?”

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The Chinese consulate in Ottawa has not responded to a request for comment on the allegations in this story.

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Since winning the Miss World Canada title in 2015, Lin has come to the belief ⁠— through quiet conversations among trusted friends and colleagues ⁠— that most Chinese-Canadians are opposed to the Chinese Communist Party’s so-called “United Front” networks that seek to control immigrant groups. But in her words, many Chinese-heritage citizens worldwide are “suffering in silence and in isolation.”

“If I speak up, people of my background would feel tremendous fear. Many people have tremendous anger towards the Chinese Communist Party, but also tremendous fear,” Lin said. “After I won Miss World Canada, I would run into Chinese in supermarkets in Scarborough. They would come up to me and tell me in secret, just in a very quiet voice, ‘what you are doing is brave.’”

READ MORE: Canadian mayors may have unwittingly been targets of Chinese influence campaign

Even with this quiet support, while Lin grew into her role as a Chinese-Canadian leader, she says it was painful to read comments about herself online. She says “trolls” that criticize what they term as “anti-Chinese hostile forces” can be especially vicious toward women.

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But something changed for Lin after her speech at Oxford, on February 6.

Her message resonated powerfully, and thousands responded positively. Whether the rest of the world understood it or not, China was engaged in a cold war with democracies, Lin said.

“In considering Communist China’s threat, we could talk about many angles,” Lin said in her speech. “We can talk about how its censorship of information endangers global health, and now the coronavirus outbreak is a perfect example. I can tell you personally how the Chinese Communist Party targets family of political opponents abroad.”

And Lin took direct aim at the Communist Party’s influence networks.

“Beijing backs numerous front organizations and civil-society groups in Western societies, including Chinese student and professional associations. These groups act as extensions of the state and party apparatus. They are mobilized to influence the outcome of local elections and influence government policy in the West,” Lin said.

“These groups are controlled and financed by the Chinese government through the United Front Work Department and the Office of Overseas Chinese Affairs, but these connections are concealed from the public.”

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Within days of the speech, she had 25,000 new Instagram followers. A YouTube recording of her speech posted April 14, has been viewed over 600,000 times. And according to YouTube statistics, 23,000 viewers have approved of Lin’s message, while 2,600 disapproved. About 6,600 have commented. And for the first time, Lin says she feels empowered to read the comments, without feeling attacked.

“I’m daring to read the comments,” she said.

“They are saying things like ‘This is such a historical speech. You are our proudest daughter.’”

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Lin believes it is the Communist Party’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak, which has triggered an unprecedented moment of openness for the Chinese diaspora.

“I think the community is being more willing to be vocal about the pandemic coverup and that gave more ordinary Chinese people and diaspora courage to speak up for the first time,” she said. Lin said she estimates a majority of Chinese are against Beijing’s attempts to censor information and manage the pandemic.

“Really, the influence issue is just an extension of that,” she said.

Support from Ottawa

Lin and a Chinese-Canadian academic that asked not to be named, and Canadian journalist Jonathan Manthorpe, an expert on China’s United Front diaspora influence operations, all told Global News they believe that Canadian leaders and the broad society need to recognize the pressure exerted on Chinese-Canadian community groups.

The Chinese-Canadian academic ⁠— who is studying Beijing’s influence networks ⁠— asked to remain anonymous, due to concerns that officials in Chinese consulates in Canada could interfere with research. The academic said Beijing’s efforts to control citizens have recently increased, due to the pandemic crisis.

“It is very complicated ⁠— many people are silent because the crackdown in China is harsh right now,” the academic said. “It is very much like what happened in the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s and ’70s, right now.”

The academic said they believe Canadian society at large needs to make greater efforts to understand the diverse political views of the Chinese diaspora. Also, the academic said a multiplicity of voices from Chinese-Canadians in mainstream media, would improve understanding.

“I think the Canadian government and public needs to be educated about China’s attempts to influence the overseas population,” the academic said.

“You see that the Chinese embassy and consulates are trying to get members of the diaspora to work on its behalf. The increasing control of the media in Canada is part of the United Front, how they are reporting. It is important, for the sake of this country, for us to research this.”

In an interview regarding the United Front’s influence networks in Canada, Manthorpe said the United Front has been vastly increased under President Xi Jinping and seeks to control the Chinese diaspora and use community members ⁠— only on the basis of their Chinese ancestry ⁠— as foreign agents for Beijing’s strategic goals.

READ MORE: Chinese Canadian group creates ‘Stop the Spread’ awareness program aimed at COVID-19 related racism

But Manthorpe said the United Front diaspora control operations have only been successful “to a limited degree.”

“It certainly hasn’t been very successful amongst the Canadians of Chinese heritage. I mean, the antipathy towards Beijing in Richmond, Scarborough, wherever, is huge and building,” Manthorpe said.

And yet, Canada has largely failed in exposing United Front operations and protecting Chinese-Canadians from the pressure exerted on them, he said.

“I think we need a lot more openness from Ottawa, identifying these United Front organizations,” Manthorpe said.

“And I think it’s also important to give support to Canadians of Chinese heritage who are under attack by these infiltrators.”

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Lin also said leadership from Ottawa has been lacking on the United Front threat.

“The public voice of Canadian authorities is so crucially needed,” she said. “The fear to speak up (in the Chinese-Canadian community) is enlarged by the silence in the mainstream society. Because the Chinese Communist Party are so good at speaking into the race identity politics, that if you speak against China’s government, you are racist, or you are xenophobic. All the people that want to speak up, Chinese Canadians and around the world, they fear they are not being supported to speak up.”

After this story was published Global News asked Prime Minister Justin Trudeau if his government is doing anything to expose United Front influence networks that are pressuring Chinese-Canadians.

“The Canadian government has always highlighted concerns around human rights and respect for basic human democracies and liberties with every country that we engage with around the world including China,” Trudeau said. “We will continue to defend human rights while at the same time looking to protect Canadians everywhere around the world.”

READ MORE: As coronavirus dominates headlines, xenophobic and insensitive social media posts go viral

Lin says through her personal struggles, she has learned a “secret” to share with Chinese-Canadians that have been pressured to fall in line by Beijing’s agents.

“They fear strength,” Lin said. “They can’t bully everyone. We need to form a united front ourselves.”

© 2020 Global News, a division of Corus Entertainment Inc.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6920433/chin ... influence/

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Re: The CCP"s Long and Sneaky Reach

Post by Sertorio » Wed May 13, 2020 9:29 am

Milo wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 9:22 am
Chinese-Canadians ‘suffering in silence’ as China’s United Front reaches into Canada

1:06
WATCH ABOVE: Chinese-Canadian Anastasia Lin, a vocal opponent of the Chinese Communist Party and human rights abuses, is now speaking out against the so-called 'United Front,' the networks the Chinese government uses to influence government policy in the West. Robin Gill reports.
For Anastasia Lin, the breakthrough came shortly after her speech at Oxford University in early February.

The 30-year-old Chinese-Canadian actress and beauty pageant winner had been speaking for years about the Chinese Communist Party’s worldwide influence operations, and its human rights abuses. But she had never received vocal support from her community, she says, until her widely shared speech struck a nerve amidst Beijing’s coronavirus response.

Born in Hunan, China, her family immigrated to Vancouver, B.C. when she was 13.

Trudeau questioned on reports of pressure from Chinese government on Chinese-Canadian citizens
When she started to take acting jobs, almost by accident, some of the roles drew her into a community of Chinese dissidents and human rights advocates. She describes a process of “awakening” to the indoctrination of her education in China, where citizens are taught to view the West as an enemy and the Communist Party as the sole guardian of Chinese people worldwide.

Lin became so vocal in her criticism of the Communist Party’s influence tactics in Chinese immigrant communities, that after she was crowned Miss World Canada in 2015, and she sought a visa to compete for the world title in China, authorities there denied her application.

READ MORE: United Front groups in Canada helped Beijing stockpile coronavirus safety supplies

Chinese-Canadian community leader asks Ottawa to offer support against Beijing influence networks
​​
But Lin kept speaking out. And in 2018, the MacDonald-Laurier Institute named Lin as the Ottawa think-tank’s new ambassador on Canada-China policy.
For the University of Toronto graduate, speaking about China’s politics came at a personal cost.

She says her family has been harassed and called “anti-Chinese.” Even more stunning, for Lin, her mother in Vancouver, informed her that Chinese national security agents had questioned a family business colleague in China.

“My mom told me her colleague was visited by Chinese Secret police and they asked about me, in recent years,” Lin said.

“It just made me think, how do they even know about me and care that much?”

Tweet This
The Chinese consulate in Ottawa has not responded to a request for comment on the allegations in this story.

Coronavirus outbreak: How a secretive organization helped China hoard PPE
Since winning the Miss World Canada title in 2015, Lin has come to the belief ⁠— through quiet conversations among trusted friends and colleagues ⁠— that most Chinese-Canadians are opposed to the Chinese Communist Party’s so-called “United Front” networks that seek to control immigrant groups. But in her words, many Chinese-heritage citizens worldwide are “suffering in silence and in isolation.”

“If I speak up, people of my background would feel tremendous fear. Many people have tremendous anger towards the Chinese Communist Party, but also tremendous fear,” Lin said. “After I won Miss World Canada, I would run into Chinese in supermarkets in Scarborough. They would come up to me and tell me in secret, just in a very quiet voice, ‘what you are doing is brave.’”

READ MORE: Canadian mayors may have unwittingly been targets of Chinese influence campaign

Even with this quiet support, while Lin grew into her role as a Chinese-Canadian leader, she says it was painful to read comments about herself online. She says “trolls” that criticize what they term as “anti-Chinese hostile forces” can be especially vicious toward women.

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But something changed for Lin after her speech at Oxford, on February 6.

Her message resonated powerfully, and thousands responded positively. Whether the rest of the world understood it or not, China was engaged in a cold war with democracies, Lin said.

“In considering Communist China’s threat, we could talk about many angles,” Lin said in her speech. “We can talk about how its censorship of information endangers global health, and now the coronavirus outbreak is a perfect example. I can tell you personally how the Chinese Communist Party targets family of political opponents abroad.”

And Lin took direct aim at the Communist Party’s influence networks.

“Beijing backs numerous front organizations and civil-society groups in Western societies, including Chinese student and professional associations. These groups act as extensions of the state and party apparatus. They are mobilized to influence the outcome of local elections and influence government policy in the West,” Lin said.

“These groups are controlled and financed by the Chinese government through the United Front Work Department and the Office of Overseas Chinese Affairs, but these connections are concealed from the public.”

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Within days of the speech, she had 25,000 new Instagram followers. A YouTube recording of her speech posted April 14, has been viewed over 600,000 times. And according to YouTube statistics, 23,000 viewers have approved of Lin’s message, while 2,600 disapproved. About 6,600 have commented. And for the first time, Lin says she feels empowered to read the comments, without feeling attacked.

“I’m daring to read the comments,” she said.

“They are saying things like ‘This is such a historical speech. You are our proudest daughter.’”

Tweet This
Lin believes it is the Communist Party’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak, which has triggered an unprecedented moment of openness for the Chinese diaspora.

“I think the community is being more willing to be vocal about the pandemic coverup and that gave more ordinary Chinese people and diaspora courage to speak up for the first time,” she said. Lin said she estimates a majority of Chinese are against Beijing’s attempts to censor information and manage the pandemic.

“Really, the influence issue is just an extension of that,” she said.

Support from Ottawa

Lin and a Chinese-Canadian academic that asked not to be named, and Canadian journalist Jonathan Manthorpe, an expert on China’s United Front diaspora influence operations, all told Global News they believe that Canadian leaders and the broad society need to recognize the pressure exerted on Chinese-Canadian community groups.

The Chinese-Canadian academic ⁠— who is studying Beijing’s influence networks ⁠— asked to remain anonymous, due to concerns that officials in Chinese consulates in Canada could interfere with research. The academic said Beijing’s efforts to control citizens have recently increased, due to the pandemic crisis.

“It is very complicated ⁠— many people are silent because the crackdown in China is harsh right now,” the academic said. “It is very much like what happened in the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s and ’70s, right now.”

The academic said they believe Canadian society at large needs to make greater efforts to understand the diverse political views of the Chinese diaspora. Also, the academic said a multiplicity of voices from Chinese-Canadians in mainstream media, would improve understanding.

“I think the Canadian government and public needs to be educated about China’s attempts to influence the overseas population,” the academic said.

“You see that the Chinese embassy and consulates are trying to get members of the diaspora to work on its behalf. The increasing control of the media in Canada is part of the United Front, how they are reporting. It is important, for the sake of this country, for us to research this.”

In an interview regarding the United Front’s influence networks in Canada, Manthorpe said the United Front has been vastly increased under President Xi Jinping and seeks to control the Chinese diaspora and use community members ⁠— only on the basis of their Chinese ancestry ⁠— as foreign agents for Beijing’s strategic goals.

READ MORE: Chinese Canadian group creates ‘Stop the Spread’ awareness program aimed at COVID-19 related racism

But Manthorpe said the United Front diaspora control operations have only been successful “to a limited degree.”

“It certainly hasn’t been very successful amongst the Canadians of Chinese heritage. I mean, the antipathy towards Beijing in Richmond, Scarborough, wherever, is huge and building,” Manthorpe said.

And yet, Canada has largely failed in exposing United Front operations and protecting Chinese-Canadians from the pressure exerted on them, he said.

“I think we need a lot more openness from Ottawa, identifying these United Front organizations,” Manthorpe said.

“And I think it’s also important to give support to Canadians of Chinese heritage who are under attack by these infiltrators.”

Tweet This
Lin also said leadership from Ottawa has been lacking on the United Front threat.

“The public voice of Canadian authorities is so crucially needed,” she said. “The fear to speak up (in the Chinese-Canadian community) is enlarged by the silence in the mainstream society. Because the Chinese Communist Party are so good at speaking into the race identity politics, that if you speak against China’s government, you are racist, or you are xenophobic. All the people that want to speak up, Chinese Canadians and around the world, they fear they are not being supported to speak up.”

After this story was published Global News asked Prime Minister Justin Trudeau if his government is doing anything to expose United Front influence networks that are pressuring Chinese-Canadians.

“The Canadian government has always highlighted concerns around human rights and respect for basic human democracies and liberties with every country that we engage with around the world including China,” Trudeau said. “We will continue to defend human rights while at the same time looking to protect Canadians everywhere around the world.”

READ MORE: As coronavirus dominates headlines, xenophobic and insensitive social media posts go viral

Lin says through her personal struggles, she has learned a “secret” to share with Chinese-Canadians that have been pressured to fall in line by Beijing’s agents.

“They fear strength,” Lin said. “They can’t bully everyone. We need to form a united front ourselves.”

© 2020 Global News, a division of Corus Entertainment Inc.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6920433/chin ... influence/
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Re: "Death by a thousand cuts" for Australia?

Post by neverfail » Wed May 13, 2020 3:01 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 8:46 am

Don't you think that could wait until the crisis is over? Trying to force the issue now is antagonizing China for no purpose whatsoever. To me, that's pretty dumb...
I don't entirely agree with your first sentence but am sympathetic to the second one.

I strongly suspect that our Prime Minister (the driving force behind the demand for the enquiry) bouyed up by the recent (unprecedented) public acclaim over the leadership he gave this country re. the handling of the coronavirus challenge (a low rate of infections and death reminiscent of the likes of Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore); he then let his ego take charge of him and set out in pursuit of that enquiry without firstly devoting time and attention to figuring through the likely consequences re. relations with China. China was already pissed off with Australia over years of other issues such as our opposition to China's attempts to annex the South China sea.

When dealing with the PRC it is usually not a good idea to grandstand - which only causes loss of face in power circles in Beijing. Scott Morrison grandstanded from the very start - possibly with an eye to gaining additional political mileage at home as distinct fromo garnering international influence pertenent to the outcome of his campaign for PRC transparency over the issue. Men in power can be like overgrown adolescent schoolboys.

As my father would have put it he led with his chin.

i.e. ( "Look; here is my chin, now try and take a swing at me". Real male-macho bravado and very rash.)

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Re: "Death by a thousand cuts" for Australia?

Post by Milo » Wed May 13, 2020 3:10 pm

neverfail wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 3:01 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 8:46 am

Don't you think that could wait until the crisis is over? Trying to force the issue now is antagonizing China for no purpose whatsoever. To me, that's pretty dumb...
I don't entirely agree with your first sentence but am sympathetic to the second one.

I strongly suspect that our Prime Minister (the driving force behind the demand for the enquiry) bouyed up by the recent (unprecedented) public acclaim over the leadership he gave this country re. the handling of the coronavirus challenge (a low rate of infections and death reminiscent of the likes of Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore); he then let his ego take charge of him and set out in pursuit of that enquiry without firstly devoting time and attention to figuring through the likely consequences re. relations with China. China was already pissed off with Australia over years of other issues such as our opposition to China's attempts to annex the South China sea.

When dealing with the PRC it is usually not a good idea to grandstand - which only causes loss of face in power circles in Beijing. Scott Morrison grandstanded from the very start - possibly with an eye to gaining additional political mileage at home as distinct fromo garnering international influence pertenent to the outcome of his campaign for PRC transparency over the issue. Men in power can be like overgrown adolescent schoolboys.

As my father would have put it he led with his chin.

i.e. ( "Look; here is my chin, now try and take a swing at me". Real male-macho bravado and very rash.)
But how much do we give up to trade with China?

And will we ever give up enough?

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Re: The CCP"s Long and Sneaky Reach

Post by neverfail » Wed May 13, 2020 4:01 pm

People of Chinese background worldwide are being called upon to betray their adopted countries in the service of the Chinese Communist Party.

Does the CCP care even one iota about the possible adverse consequences for members of that diaspora abroad? Not one little bit it seems. The end justifies the means!

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Re: "Death by a thousand cuts" for Australia?

Post by neverfail » Wed May 13, 2020 4:15 pm

Milo wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 3:10 pm


But how much do we give up to trade with China?

And will we ever give up enough?
I really can't answer those questions Milo.

In the case of your country it possibly does not matter much as Canada's trade with the PRC I believe only accounts for around 5% of it's total world trade - and Canada (like the USA) runs unfavourable trade balances with that country. But with around one third of our external trade being with this one country and that trade balance is favourable to us. We have a much bigger stake and with that more to lose.

On another plane the PRC government still claims that the recent boycotts are NOT punishment inflicted on Australia but due to technical breaches of the rules. Meantime the Austrlaian trade minister is treating it the same way: something to sort out via diplomatic negotiatons.

Meantime, PM Scvott Morrison has been uncharacteristically silent on the PRC trade boycotts. I suspect that his cabinet colleagues may have served him notice: "shut up and give us a chance to sort this out with Beijing."

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Re: "Death by a thousand cuts" for Australia?

Post by Milo » Wed May 13, 2020 5:28 pm

neverfail wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 4:15 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 3:10 pm


But how much do we give up to trade with China?

And will we ever give up enough?
I really can't answer those questions Milo.

In the case of your country it possibly does not matter much as Canada's trade with the PRC I believe only accounts for around 5% of it's total world trade - and Canada (like the USA) runs unfavourable trade balances with that country. But with around one third of our external trade being with this one country and that trade balance is favourable to us. We have a much bigger stake and with that more to lose.

On another plane the PRC government still claims that the recent boycotts are NOT punishment inflicted on Australia but due to technical breaches of the rules. Meantime the Austrlaian trade minister is treating it the same way: something to sort out via diplomatic negotiatons.

Meantime, PM Scvott Morrison has been uncharacteristically silent on the PRC trade boycotts. I suspect that his cabinet colleagues may have served him notice: "shut up and give us a chance to sort this out with Beijing."
Someday, a PRC oligarch may be arrested and imprisoned on your soil according to your law and Australia will be boycotted by China, and possibly other countries by then, to try to force you to abandon your rule of law. What will you do then?

What you might do is seek fellowship with other like minded countries, so you do not have to go it alone in standing for justice and freedom. Except you may find their aren't any, because they all 'sorted things out'. No doubt you will be counselled to be diplomatic and maintain favourable trade balances, and it's just this one time!

Until it happens again, and you will be told, you did it before, what's the big deal?

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