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China gets nasty with Australia.

Post by neverfail » Sun May 10, 2020 5:20 pm

China fires another shot in diplomatic war of words: Beijing threatens to impose an EIGHTY per cent import tax on Australian produce as relations between the nations continue to sour

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rmers.html

China has threatened to cripple Australia's barley industry amid rising diplomatic tensions between Beijing and Canberra over calls for a coronavirus inquiry.
Of course Beijing's complaint that Australian barley is state "subsidised" and therefore subject to 'anti-dumping" provisions under our trade treaty with that country is spurious bullshit. What is really upsetting the PRC government is that the Australian Prime Minister has called for an impartial international enquiry into the cause and spread of the Coronavirus pandemic and is currently lobbying world leaders seeking support.

At times in recent weeks I vaguely wondered whether Prime Minister Scott Morrison was wise in pursuing this course of action given this country's large "China exposure" in overseas commerce and trade. Did our government presume that "economics are one thing and politics/diplomacy are an entirely seperate matter"? I assumed that our Prime Minister knew what ihe was doing. Well, my worst fear is being realised as Morrison and his government are about to receive a lesson from a totalitarian clossus that apparently does not distinguish between the two.

Barley is not by any means one of our biggest exports to China so the PRC threat to impose tariffs that would likely crush this industry amounts to a "warning shot across our bow". "This is an example of what we can do to other, more important, sections of your economy/export trade if you persist with this course of action."

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Post by Milo » Sun May 10, 2020 11:44 pm

As a citizen of a country facing sanctions by China for following our laws and treaties, I feel your pain.

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Post by Sertorio » Mon May 11, 2020 2:25 am

neverfail wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 5:20 pm
China fires another shot in diplomatic war of words: Beijing threatens to impose an EIGHTY per cent import tax on Australian produce as relations between the nations continue to sour

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rmers.html

China has threatened to cripple Australia's barley industry amid rising diplomatic tensions between Beijing and Canberra over calls for a coronavirus inquiry.
Of course Beijing's complaint that Australian barley is state "subsidised" and therefore subject to 'anti-dumping" provisions under our trade treaty with that country is spurious bullshit. What is really upsetting the PRC government is that the Australian Prime Minister has called for an impartial international enquiry into the cause and spread of the Coronavirus pandemic and is currently lobbying world leaders seeking support.

At times in recent weeks I vaguely wondered whether Prime Minister Scott Morrison was wise in pursuing this course of action given this country's large "China exposure" in overseas commerce and trade. Did our government presume that "economics are one thing and politics/diplomacy are an entirely seperate matter"? I assumed that our Prime Minister knew what ihe was doing. Well, my worst fear is being realised as Morrison and his government are about to receive a lesson from a totalitarian clossus that apparently does not distinguish between the two.

Barley is not by any means one of our biggest exports to China so the PRC threat to impose tariffs that would likely crush this industry amounts to a "warning shot across our bow". "This is an example of what we can do to other, more important, sections of your economy/export trade if you persist with this course of action."
I'm sorry, NF, but someone has to be pretty stupid to bring this idea forward:

Australian Prime Minister has called for an impartial international enquiry into the cause and spread of the Coronavirus pandemic and is currently lobbying world leaders seeking support.

Faced with the pandemic, who cares about the cause and spread of the Coronavirus? Once the crisis is over that is an issue which may deserve our attention, but not now. And certainly not when the idea is not finding the truth but embarrassing China. If Australia pays the price of such an idiocy, you will know who to blame...

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Post by cassowary » Mon May 11, 2020 3:32 am

neverfail wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 5:20 pm
China fires another shot in diplomatic war of words: Beijing threatens to impose an EIGHTY per cent import tax on Australian produce as relations between the nations continue to sour

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rmers.html

China has threatened to cripple Australia's barley industry amid rising diplomatic tensions between Beijing and Canberra over calls for a coronavirus inquiry.
Of course Beijing's complaint that Australian barley is state "subsidised" and therefore subject to 'anti-dumping" provisions under our trade treaty with that country is spurious bullshit. What is really upsetting the PRC government is that the Australian Prime Minister has called for an impartial international enquiry into the cause and spread of the Coronavirus pandemic and is currently lobbying world leaders seeking support.

At times in recent weeks I vaguely wondered whether Prime Minister Scott Morrison was wise in pursuing this course of action given this country's large "China exposure" in overseas commerce and trade. Did our government presume that "economics are one thing and politics/diplomacy are an entirely seperate matter"? I assumed that our Prime Minister knew what ihe was doing. Well, my worst fear is being realised as Morrison and his government are about to receive a lesson from a totalitarian clossus that apparently does not distinguish between the two.

Barley is not by any means one of our biggest exports to China so the PRC threat to impose tariffs that would likely crush this industry amounts to a "warning shot across our bow". "This is an example of what we can do to other, more important, sections of your economy/export trade if you persist with this course of action."
Poor Australia. Who else can replace the China market?
The Imp :D

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Post by Sertorio » Mon May 11, 2020 3:38 am

cassowary wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 3:32 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 5:20 pm
China fires another shot in diplomatic war of words: Beijing threatens to impose an EIGHTY per cent import tax on Australian produce as relations between the nations continue to sour

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rmers.html

China has threatened to cripple Australia's barley industry amid rising diplomatic tensions between Beijing and Canberra over calls for a coronavirus inquiry.
Of course Beijing's complaint that Australian barley is state "subsidised" and therefore subject to 'anti-dumping" provisions under our trade treaty with that country is spurious bullshit. What is really upsetting the PRC government is that the Australian Prime Minister has called for an impartial international enquiry into the cause and spread of the Coronavirus pandemic and is currently lobbying world leaders seeking support.

At times in recent weeks I vaguely wondered whether Prime Minister Scott Morrison was wise in pursuing this course of action given this country's large "China exposure" in overseas commerce and trade. Did our government presume that "economics are one thing and politics/diplomacy are an entirely seperate matter"? I assumed that our Prime Minister knew what ihe was doing. Well, my worst fear is being realised as Morrison and his government are about to receive a lesson from a totalitarian clossus that apparently does not distinguish between the two.

Barley is not by any means one of our biggest exports to China so the PRC threat to impose tariffs that would likely crush this industry amounts to a "warning shot across our bow". "This is an example of what we can do to other, more important, sections of your economy/export trade if you persist with this course of action."
Poor Australia. Who else can replace the China market?
Why would Australia want to replace the China market? All it needs is keeping a civil relation with it. Respect in order to be respected. Nothing complicated...

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Re: China gets nasty with Australia.

Post by neverfail » Mon May 11, 2020 6:22 am

Milo wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 11:44 pm
As a citizen of a country facing sanctions by China for following our laws and treaties, I feel your pain.
Appreciated Milo.

I believe that Canada has already been through that particular mill.

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Re: China gets nasty with Australia.

Post by neverfail » Mon May 11, 2020 6:26 am

Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 2:25 am


Faced with the pandemic, who cares about the cause and spread of the Coronavirus? Once the crisis is over that is an issue which may deserve our attention, but not now. And certainly not when the idea is not finding the truth but embarrassing China. If Australia pays the price of such an idiocy, you will know who to blame...
Our Prime Minister has made it clear that he only wants an enquiry - NOT the apportioning of blame.

The USA has currently moved into electioneering mode so now over there anything goes. But Australia's national election is now almost one year behind us so our government is currently free to handle issues with greater integrity and sobriety.

If the PRC government has nothing to hide then it has nothing to be embarrased about.

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Post by Sertorio » Mon May 11, 2020 7:30 am

neverfail wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 6:26 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 2:25 am


Faced with the pandemic, who cares about the cause and spread of the Coronavirus? Once the crisis is over that is an issue which may deserve our attention, but not now. And certainly not when the idea is not finding the truth but embarrassing China. If Australia pays the price of such an idiocy, you will know who to blame...
Our Prime Minister has made it clear that he only wants an enquiry - NOT the apportioning of blame.

The USA has currently moved into electioneering mode so now over there anything goes. But Australia's national election is now almost one year behind us so our government is currently free to handle issues with greater integrity and sobriety.

If the PRC government has nothing to hide then it has nothing to be embarrased about.
You are closer to China than I am, so you probably realize that being called a suspect by the same people who mistreated China for hundreds of years may not be acceptable. Even if the Chinese were careless, they didn't unleash the pandemic on purpose, and they were the first victims of the disease. What is the purpose of the enquiry? What is to be gained from it? Does anybody expect China to accept any monetary liability for the damage suffered by the whole world? No. The purpose is to humiliate China, and China, like the Jews, will say NEVER AGAIN! to that. So, let's work together to solve the crisis and find a workable vaccine, instead of insisting on blaming China. This is not an issue between individuals, it is an issue involving sovereign states. So let's treat each other as such.

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Post by Milo » Mon May 11, 2020 9:08 am

Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 7:30 am
neverfail wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 6:26 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 2:25 am


Faced with the pandemic, who cares about the cause and spread of the Coronavirus? Once the crisis is over that is an issue which may deserve our attention, but not now. And certainly not when the idea is not finding the truth but embarrassing China. If Australia pays the price of such an idiocy, you will know who to blame...
Our Prime Minister has made it clear that he only wants an enquiry - NOT the apportioning of blame.

The USA has currently moved into electioneering mode so now over there anything goes. But Australia's national election is now almost one year behind us so our government is currently free to handle issues with greater integrity and sobriety.

If the PRC government has nothing to hide then it has nothing to be embarrased about.
You are closer to China than I am, so you probably realize that being called a suspect by the same people who mistreated China for hundreds of years may not be acceptable. Even if the Chinese were careless, they didn't unleash the pandemic on purpose, and they were the first victims of the disease. What is the purpose of the enquiry? What is to be gained from it? Does anybody expect China to accept any monetary liability for the damage suffered by the whole world? No. The purpose is to humiliate China, and China, like the Jews, will say NEVER AGAIN! to that. So, let's work together to solve the crisis and find a workable vaccine, instead of insisting on blaming China. This is not an issue between individuals, it is an issue involving sovereign states. So let's treat each other as such.
Damn those Aboriginals for their mistreatment of China!

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Re: China gets nasty with Australia.

Post by Sertorio » Mon May 11, 2020 9:12 am

Milo wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 9:08 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 7:30 am
neverfail wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 6:26 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 2:25 am


Faced with the pandemic, who cares about the cause and spread of the Coronavirus? Once the crisis is over that is an issue which may deserve our attention, but not now. And certainly not when the idea is not finding the truth but embarrassing China. If Australia pays the price of such an idiocy, you will know who to blame...
Our Prime Minister has made it clear that he only wants an enquiry - NOT the apportioning of blame.

The USA has currently moved into electioneering mode so now over there anything goes. But Australia's national election is now almost one year behind us so our government is currently free to handle issues with greater integrity and sobriety.

If the PRC government has nothing to hide then it has nothing to be embarrased about.
You are closer to China than I am, so you probably realize that being called a suspect by the same people who mistreated China for hundreds of years may not be acceptable. Even if the Chinese were careless, they didn't unleash the pandemic on purpose, and they were the first victims of the disease. What is the purpose of the enquiry? What is to be gained from it? Does anybody expect China to accept any monetary liability for the damage suffered by the whole world? No. The purpose is to humiliate China, and China, like the Jews, will say NEVER AGAIN! to that. So, let's work together to solve the crisis and find a workable vaccine, instead of insisting on blaming China. This is not an issue between individuals, it is an issue involving sovereign states. So let's treat each other as such.
Damn those Aboriginals for their mistreatment of China!
You are smarter than that. Why do you insist on trying to convince us that you are dumb? Most Australians come from countries which for a long time exploited China...

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