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Re: Pandemic

Post by Doc » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:37 pm

neverfail wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:46 pm
Sertorio wrote:
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8) The CCP has rather than excepted responsibility have gone out of their way to say that the CCP virus was brought to Wuhan by the US military.

REVENGE for Trump's attempt to stigmatise COVID-19 as the "Chinese" virus?

(You cause me loss of face and I can do the same to you.) :twisted:
The Chinese have been pushing the "US military brought the virus to China since their "It is the fault of local Chinese officials" excuse fell apart. Even the Spokesman for the CHinese FOreign ministry has been publicly say the US military did it.
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Re: Pandemic

Post by Doc » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:18 am

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21D1FL
Mass testing explains Germany's relatively low death rate from coronavirus: virologist



BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany’s relatively low rate of deaths so far from coronavirus is largely due to the high number of tests being carried out in the country, meaning authorities are simply aware of more cases, including milder ones, a senior virologist said.
So that implies there are far more cases in other places as well

Earlier today 41434 cases in Germany with 224 deaths

224/41434 = 0.0054 --- 0.54%
3287 deaths in China
3287 / 0.0054 = 608703 cases Which lines up with the claims that the CCP was way under reporting the number of cases it had
Italy 7503/0.0054 = 1,289,444 cases AND there is plenty of evidence that the CCP covered up and is still covering up deaths.
US is too early to tell but
195,185 cases half in NY
UK 86,111

The 0.0054 CFR is undoubtedly low. But that is 5 times of what it is for the common flu. Though this is still low it is a starting point given the 3.4% estimated CFR earlier.

Plus this is the CFR if there the health care system can handle it. Once the health care system is overwhelmed the CFR runs at least 10%

With a good health system everywhere in the world, and a 50% infection rate with a 0.54 CFR the final death toll would be ~ 21 million people. Multiply by 20 if there were not a functioning health system world wide.

So this really comes down to the health care system Anti-virals and surgical masks for people to wear so as not to infect others. AS WELL AS people washing their hands. I understand there are groups sewing masks by hand. We need a lot more of that.

Very well referenced stats for the US:

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/
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Re: Pandemic

Post by neverfail » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:06 pm

Doc wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:37 pm

The Chinese have been pushing the "US military brought the virus to China since their "It is the fault of local Chinese officials" excuse fell apart. Even the Spokesman for the CHinese FOreign ministry has been publicly say the US military did it.
Could you seriously expect the chorus to sing out of tune with the conductor wielding the baton?

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Re: Pandemic

Post by Doc » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:50 pm

neverfail wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:06 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:37 pm

The Chinese have been pushing the "US military brought the virus to China since their "It is the fault of local Chinese officials" excuse fell apart. Even the Spokesman for the CHinese FOreign ministry has been publicly say the US military did it.
Could you seriously expect the chorus to sing out of tune with the conductor wielding the baton?
No. Especially while singing in the bad Character Choir
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Re: Pandemic

Post by Doc » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:41 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wealthy-flee ... 51370.html
The Wealthy Flee Coronavirus. Vacation Towns Respond: Stay Away.
Tracey Tully and Stacey Stowe
The New York TimesMarch 26, 2020, 9:31 AM EDT
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People with second homes in the Catskills region of New York are being warned to stay away in venom-laced Facebook posts and blunt messages from county officials.

Boardwalks and beaches in some Jersey Shore towns are barricaded, and residents are urging the closure of coastal access bridges to outsiders.

In the Hamptons, the famous playground for the rich on the East End of Long Island, locals are angry that an onslaught of visitors has emptied out grocery store shelves.

A backlash has grown on the outskirts of the New York region as wealthy people flee to summer homes to avoid the densely packed city, which has become the epicenter of the coronavirus crisis.

This clash between year-round residents and those with the means to retreat to vacation homes intensified Tuesday as White House officials advised those who had passed through or fled New York City to place themselves in a 14-day quarantine.

“They’re pumping gas. They’re stopping at grocery stores,” said Kim Langdon, 48, of Ashland, New York. “If they’re infected and they don’t know it, they’re putting everyone at risk.”

The expletive-filled commentary on a Catskills Facebook page was less subtle.

“The only cases in Greene County were brought here from downstate people so stay down there,” one man wrote. “Just because you have a second home up here doesn’t mean you have the right to put us at risk.”

Mayors, town supervisors and the governors of at least two states have warned part-time residents of tourist destinations to stay away.

“We don’t want your bugs,” said Linda Michel, 71, of Surf City, on Long Beach Island in New Jersey, about 100 miles south of Manhattan. Michel, who wore blue plastic gloves into a grocery store, said the bridge that connects Long Beach Island to the mainland should be closed to all except year-round residents who hold disaster re-entry passes.

“The problem with the island is you do not have the resources,” she said.

Across the country, similar tensions between locals and seasonal visitors are bubbling to the surface as efforts to confront the pandemic have led the nation to navigate uncharted territory.

The governor of Florida has ordered anyone who traveled from the New York region in the last three weeks to remain under quarantine for 14 days. Officials in vacation hubs on North Carolina’s Outer Banks have barred nonresidents as cases of the highly contagious virus creep south along the East Coast.

Short-term rentals have been curtailed in Truckee, California, about 30 miles southwest of Reno, Nevada. Nantucket and Martha’s Vineyard have been deemed no-go zones in Massachusetts, where Gov. Charlie Baker urged people to “stay on the mainland.”

In New Jersey, Gov. Philip Murphy made an unequivocal plea for those with shore houses to stay away.

“We all love the summer people,” said Joseph Mancini, the mayor of Long Beach Township, New Jersey. “They drive our economy. But when they come down here now, the services here aren’t geared up for them.”

He estimated that his township had tripled in size to 15,000 as part-time residents arrived, lured by last weekend’s warm, sunny weather and the relative safety of the beach.

The cancellation of schools in most states and work-from-home edicts have left many families unfettered by offices or primary residences, free to work wherever they can find Wi-Fi.

The influx has drained local supermarkets and fueled fear that a continued onslaught could cripple towns with tiny police forces and few hospitals.

“Just try to get chicken,” said Pete Byron, the mayor of Wildwood, New Jersey. “You can’t get chicken.”

At Red Horse Market, a gourmet food shop in East Hampton, part of Long Island’s East End, some customers are phoning in to ask for personal shoppers or for delivery to their cars, so they don’t have to walk through the store, said Jeff Lange, one of the owners.

At the moment, he said his 30-person staff is too busy to accommodate such requests.

“We had people showing up to buy a lot of meat,” Lange said, “and there were moments where we had to step in and say, ‘That’s too much.’ There’s no hard line on the meat, for example, but if it seems like more than what is fair, we say so.”

A liquor store in Sag Harbor, another Hamptons town, is selling cases of wine and spirits through a half-opened door.

“It’s like the Fourth of July out here,” said Robin Farnam, a clerk at the store.

The number of known coronavirus cases in the United States continues to grow quickly.

As of Wednesday afternoon, there have been at least 59,502 cases of coronavirus confirmed by lab tests and 804 deaths, according to a New York Times database. More than half are in New York state and most of these are from New York City — an easy drive to some of the wealthiest enclaves in the nation.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has said that with cases doubling every three days in New York City alone, as many as 140,000 people might need urgent care in the next few weeks.

Greene County, about two hours north of the city in the heart of the Catskills, warned on its website that travel “from any area at this time is inadvisable and is highly discouraged.”

“Greene County is a large rural county with NO hospital!” the message reads.

On Long Island, private plane and jet traffic increased at East Hampton Airport, with everything from single-engine Cessnas and Piper Cubs to Gulfstreams and Falcon jets landing.

“We’ve had helicopters, seaplanes, corporate planes,” said Jim Brundige, the airport director. “A little bit of everything.”

Stores there have also been stripped. Some people are even buying extra freezers, residents said.

“They want to make sure they have enough for a year,” said Jonathan Amaral, the house manager and chef at a gated estate on Southampton’s Main Street. “The shelves were bare. For us locals and middle class people, that hurts.”

Long before the virus struck, many full-time residents of towns that flood with seasonal visitors already had a healthy distrust of their part-time neighbors and the crowds that follow in their wake.

“Some people have bitter feelings toward weekenders,” said Honora Trimbell, of Bovina, New York, in the Catskills. “They’re just taking this opportunity to elaborate.”

A popular bumper on cars in southern New Jersey, where day-trippers are disparaged as “bennies,” reads, “Welcome to the shore. Now go home.”

Still, the rapid swell of visitors remains worrisome to elected leaders.

Officials on Fishers Island, a quaint oasis in the Long Island Sound not far from the Connecticut coastline, with an offseason population of 230, have issued “new urgent protocols” pleading with people to stay away for at least a month.

Jay Schneiderman, the supervisor of Southampton, an area comprising more than a dozen hamlets and villages on eastern Long Island, said the population had soared in the last two weeks to nearly 100,000, up from 60,000.

“I would prefer that if you are coming from New York City, a hot spot, you stay there,” said Schneiderman, chairman of the East End Supervisors and Mayors Association. “I can’t stop you, but we’d love people to heed the advice of the CDC and stay home.”

Bob Sankosh, 56, splits his time between a one-bedroom apartment in Manhattan, where his office is, and a home in Beach Haven, New Jersey. He and his wife and his two adult children are now living at the beach as they all work or study from home.

“I get both sides,” Sankosh said. “It would be easy to overrun things.”

He said he believed the warnings from Murphy and others to stay away had been effective, noting that recently, beaches felt emptier.

Some New Yorkers, however, still seem undaunted by the warnings.

Last weekend, on Middle Lane in East Hampton, contractors bustled around a house under construction.

The home is at least two months away from completion, but the owner wants to move out of the city and into the home as soon as possible, said Michael Maycol, a carpenter and painter.

“He’s pushing us to finish the home,” Maycol said, “before something worse happens.”
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Re: Pandemic

Post by Doc » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:10 am

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Re: Pandemic

Post by Sertorio » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:23 am

Doc wrote:
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Boris Johnson has coronavirus

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/uk/uk-bo ... index.html
Who will protect the virus?... :D

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103 woman survives Spanish Flu pandemic and the coronavirus

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 93991.html
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Re: Pandemic

Post by Sertorio » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:52 am

European States Send Medical Goods to Iran in First INSTEX Transaction
by Mike Segar
https://sputniknews.com/europe/20200331 ... ansaction/

The INSTEX trading mechanism was previously created by European countries to bypass unilateral restrictions, imposed against the Islamic Republic by Washington, as the US threatened to hit those trading with Tehran via secondary sanctions. Iran, however, has repeatedly criticised INSTEX for not functioning properly.

France, Germany, and the United Kingdom have officially confirmed concluding their first INSTEX transaction with Iran, exporting medical goods to the Middle Eastern country. According to the German Foreign Ministry, Berlin hopes to enhance the mechanism and carry out more transaction with Tehran.

The news comes several months after Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Belgium, and the Netherlands joined the mechanism, allowing the countries to circumvent US sanctions against Iran.

The medical goods are being sent to the country amid the coronavirus pandemic, which has severely affected Iran, making it the worst-hit Asian country outside China.

According to official data, there are over 41,000 infected in the Islamic Republic, and the death toll currently stands at 2,757. At the same time, European countries are experiencing a similar situation; Germany has 67,000 infected and 650 fatalities, while France has confirmed over 44,500 cases and more than 3,000 deaths from the virus.
Let's hope that European action will undermine America's sanitary warfare against Iran.

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Re: Pandemic

Post by Doc » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:39 am

Sertorio wrote:
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Viral epidemics disappear on their own, even if you do nothing to stop them. The Spanish flu was a lot worse than this Covid19, there was practically no treatment at the time, and it disappeared quite suddenly.
If you are talking about the Spanish flu pandemic that spread around the world in 1919 then you are right; it did disappear after it had killed 60 million people globally - at a time when the World's total population was only a fraction the size that it is now. 60 million was ten times the number killed during World War One that preceded it.
That was 3% of the world population then. Unfortunate as it would be for those losing loved ones, I think the world could afford losing 3% of its present population...
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