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Re: Pandemic

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Re: Pandemic

Post by neverfail » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:06 pm

I warmly hope that all of my internet friends and colleagues remain free of Coronavirus inhjfection. :D

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Re: Pandemic

Post by Doc » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:05 am

Milo wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:11 pm
The Never-Trumpsters are finnished. So is the Democrat Party Establishment

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Re: Pandemic

Post by neverfail » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:05 pm

The Coronavirus pandemic is yet to rack the Afro-Asian-Latino world and Indonesia is getting off to a very bad start:
https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/indonesia ... kill-rate/

Indonesia prayers spread world’s top Covid-19 kill rate
:roll: Pray to Allah and reap a pestilence? :cry:

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Re: Pandemic

Post by Sertorio » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:11 am

Coronavirus Will Eventually Get Better But America Never Will
by Michael McCaffrey - March 17, 2020
http://mpmacting.com/blog

Regular Americans can no longer numb themselves with sports and gluttony, freeing them to clearly see the malignantly craven ruling class that exploits and despises them.

Anyone who has eyes to see can clearly make out that America is an addled empire in steep decline that is firmly entrenched in its bread and circuses stage.

The problem now though is that due to COVID-19, there is a shortage of bread, as supermarket shelves are bare, and the distraction of the circus of sports has been indefinitely removed from our culture, so Americans are left with little to distract them from cold hard reality.

With no brawls or ballgames to watch, and the fear of potential hunger gnawing at their bloated bellies and brains, and with social distancing leaving them isolated with little but their thoughts as company, Americans will now find it harder and harder to ignore the truth about their country and its deplorably corrupt media, financial, government, education and health care systems, that is staring them right in the face.

As the old adage goes, crisis reveals character, and the coronavirus contagion is a crisis of epic proportions that is revealing America to be utterly devoid of any redeeming character whatsoever

If America were a sane, healthy and rational country this would be a great opportunity for change to occur…alas, it is not. America is an insane, unhealthy and irrational nation, and so any genuine change is inconceivable.

For example, this crisis has once again revealed the house of cards that is the smoke and mirrors American economy. The American economy has long been rigged through financialization, where stock buybacks and accounting shenanigans inflate the stock market but create nothing of substance for the masses except the illusion of prosperity. Here in America the economy long ago stopped working for regular folks as evidenced by the fact that despite productivity soaring, for the last forty years wages have remained stagnant while and the cost of living has escalated.

The American Way has devolved to become bizarro-world Robin Hood, where the rich steal from the poor and give it themselves. Proof of this is that this COVID-19 crisis will undoubtedly be used, just like the 2008 housing collapse was, as a way for the malignant narcissists in Washington, Wall Street and in corporate boardrooms to come together to assure that losses are socialized and their profits privatized. Casinos, cruise lines, airlines, hotels and of course, the scoundrels on Wall Street, are no doubt already lining up for their taxpayer funded handout from the incompetent boor in the White House.

Bailing out working and middle class Americans though is an absolute non-starter for the ruling elite. The upper crust will throw around vacuous catch phrases, like the deliciously ironic “moral hazard”, to make their argument, which is pretty rich considering the vermin on Wall Street and their cronies on Capitol Hill are so morally bereft it is a hazard to all of humanity.

Coronavirus is not nearly as deadly as the cancerous corruption that is endemic in our oligarchic corpotocracy. For proof of that look no further than Nancy Pelosi’s emergency “sick pay” bill, that exempts companies of over 500 employees from paying sick pay and has a boatload of special exemptions for businesses below that threshold that leaves all but 20% of workers eligible for benefits. The holes in Pelosi’s sick pay bill are bigger than the gaping void where her brain and soul should be.

The egregious economic divide in America was also highlighted by the COVID-19 debate over whether to close schools amidst the crisis. The reason this debate raged on well past the rational time to act is that our education system is not a system of learning but rather a glorified daycare and food delivery service.

Proletarian parents are unable to stay home and raise their kids anymore because it now takes two working parents - usually working multiple jobs - to make less than what one working parent did forty years ago.

In the Los Angeles Unified School District, 70% of all students are below the poverty line and rely on the school system for the majority of their meals. In the wealthiest country on the planet, that is absolutely disgraceful. The virus of structural economic inequality is a much more long-term and deadly problem than coronavirus, and the ruling class and their shameless lackeys in the press, have no interest in ever honestly addressing or acknowledging it.

The corporate whores in Congress and the White House (of both parties) also gleefully inform Americans that universal, single payer health care, which every other industrialized nation in the world already has, is a pipe dream and impossibility.

They tell us they could never ever pay for something so decadent and luxurious as health care, but then they magically pull $1.5 trillion out of their gold plated assholes in order to stave off a collapse of their own making. It is amazing how the Lords of Finance can make money miraculously appear in order to get things done when it is their exorbitant wealth on the line and not ordinary Americans health and well being.

Coronavirus is a crisis that is revealing the ugly truth about America and the malignant character of its ruling class. The coronavirus crisis is going to get worse before it gets better, but hopefully it will eventually get better. America, on the other hand, will only get much worse, and there is no hope that it is ever going to get any better.
Harsh, but possibly true. Pity decent Americans do not decide to take fate in their own hands and get rid of this mafia...

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Re: Pandemic

Post by Doc » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:30 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:11 am
Coronavirus Will Eventually Get Better But America Never Will
by Michael McCaffrey - March 17, 2020
http://mpmacting.com/blog

Regular Americans can no longer numb themselves with sports and gluttony, freeing them to clearly see the malignantly craven ruling class that exploits and despises them.

Anyone who has eyes to see can clearly make out that America is an addled empire in steep decline that is firmly entrenched in its bread and circuses stage.

The problem now though is that due to COVID-19, there is a shortage of bread, as supermarket shelves are bare, and the distraction of the circus of sports has been indefinitely removed from our culture, so Americans are left with little to distract them from cold hard reality.

With no brawls or ballgames to watch, and the fear of potential hunger gnawing at their bloated bellies and brains, and with social distancing leaving them isolated with little but their thoughts as company, Americans will now find it harder and harder to ignore the truth about their country and its deplorably corrupt media, financial, government, education and health care systems, that is staring them right in the face.

As the old adage goes, crisis reveals character, and the coronavirus contagion is a crisis of epic proportions that is revealing America to be utterly devoid of any redeeming character whatsoever

If America were a sane, healthy and rational country this would be a great opportunity for change to occur…alas, it is not. America is an insane, unhealthy and irrational nation, and so any genuine change is inconceivable.

For example, this crisis has once again revealed the house of cards that is the smoke and mirrors American economy. The American economy has long been rigged through financialization, where stock buybacks and accounting shenanigans inflate the stock market but create nothing of substance for the masses except the illusion of prosperity. Here in America the economy long ago stopped working for regular folks as evidenced by the fact that despite productivity soaring, for the last forty years wages have remained stagnant while and the cost of living has escalated.

The American Way has devolved to become bizarro-world Robin Hood, where the rich steal from the poor and give it themselves. Proof of this is that this COVID-19 crisis will undoubtedly be used, just like the 2008 housing collapse was, as a way for the malignant narcissists in Washington, Wall Street and in corporate boardrooms to come together to assure that losses are socialized and their profits privatized. Casinos, cruise lines, airlines, hotels and of course, the scoundrels on Wall Street, are no doubt already lining up for their taxpayer funded handout from the incompetent boor in the White House.

Bailing out working and middle class Americans though is an absolute non-starter for the ruling elite. The upper crust will throw around vacuous catch phrases, like the deliciously ironic “moral hazard”, to make their argument, which is pretty rich considering the vermin on Wall Street and their cronies on Capitol Hill are so morally bereft it is a hazard to all of humanity.

Coronavirus is not nearly as deadly as the cancerous corruption that is endemic in our oligarchic corpotocracy. For proof of that look no further than Nancy Pelosi’s emergency “sick pay” bill, that exempts companies of over 500 employees from paying sick pay and has a boatload of special exemptions for businesses below that threshold that leaves all but 20% of workers eligible for benefits. The holes in Pelosi’s sick pay bill are bigger than the gaping void where her brain and soul should be.

The egregious economic divide in America was also highlighted by the COVID-19 debate over whether to close schools amidst the crisis. The reason this debate raged on well past the rational time to act is that our education system is not a system of learning but rather a glorified daycare and food delivery service.

Proletarian parents are unable to stay home and raise their kids anymore because it now takes two working parents - usually working multiple jobs - to make less than what one working parent did forty years ago.

In the Los Angeles Unified School District, 70% of all students are below the poverty line and rely on the school system for the majority of their meals. In the wealthiest country on the planet, that is absolutely disgraceful. The virus of structural economic inequality is a much more long-term and deadly problem than coronavirus, and the ruling class and their shameless lackeys in the press, have no interest in ever honestly addressing or acknowledging it.

The corporate whores in Congress and the White House (of both parties) also gleefully inform Americans that universal, single payer health care, which every other industrialized nation in the world already has, is a pipe dream and impossibility.

They tell us they could never ever pay for something so decadent and luxurious as health care, but then they magically pull $1.5 trillion out of their gold plated assholes in order to stave off a collapse of their own making. It is amazing how the Lords of Finance can make money miraculously appear in order to get things done when it is their exorbitant wealth on the line and not ordinary Americans health and well being.

Coronavirus is a crisis that is revealing the ugly truth about America and the malignant character of its ruling class. The coronavirus crisis is going to get worse before it gets better, but hopefully it will eventually get better. America, on the other hand, will only get much worse, and there is no hope that it is ever going to get any better.
Harsh, but possibly true. Pity decent Americans do not decide to take fate in their own hands and get rid of this mafia...
This is where the income divergence came from:

“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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Re: Pandemic: Rio, Brazil and the third world.

Post by neverfail » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:43 pm

Last night I had an online text discussion with my son. He has been to Rio de Janiero, Brazil on several successive occasions while I have not had the privelege of a visit. So it was interesting to read his views.

News had arrived that the authorities over there had ordered the closure of Rio's fabled ocean beaches, Copacabana and Ipinima; coincidentally on the very day that our crowd here closed Bondi to the public. Like Sydney residents those of Rio have developed a real cult of sun, sand and surf that forms part of their/our corporate identity. So the closure of beaches while the weather is still warm is disturbing news indeed.

My son remarked that "you do not need to catch Coronavirus to get sick in Rio". As he explains: the topography/scenery is surreal. But all of the high ground is occupied by the favella squatter slums: home ot Rio's millions of destitute and desperate. Unsanitised, lacking supplies of piped water the detrious, toxins and contaminants all flow downhill into the low lying partsd of the city with each and every shower of rain.

Coronovirus has barely got started in that part of the world. Once it runs rampant there will be no containing it.

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Re: Pandemic: Rio, Brazil and the third world.

Post by Sertorio » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:17 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:43 pm
Last night I had an online text discussion with my son. He has been to Rio de Janiero, Brazil on several successive occasions while I have not had the privelege of a visit. So it was interesting to read his views.

News had arrived that the authorities over there had ordered the closure of Rio's fabled ocean beaches, Copacabana and Ipinima; coincidentally on the very day that our crowd here closed Bondi to the public. Like Sydney residents those of Rio have developed a real cult of sun, sand and surf that forms part of their/our corporate identity. So the closure of beaches while the weather is still warm is disturbing news indeed.

My son remarked that "you do not need to catch Coronavirus to get sick in Rio". As he explains: the topography/scenery is surreal. But all of the high ground is occupied by the favella squatter slums: home ot Rio's millions of destitute and desperate. Unsanitised, lacking supplies of piped water the detrious, toxins and contaminants all flow downhill into the low lying partsd of the city with each and every shower of rain.

Coronovirus has barely got started in that part of the world. Once it runs rampant there will be no containing it.
I lived for a year in Rio de Janeiro, a long time ago, but I still remember it well. And we have now in Portugal about 150,000 Brazilian immigrants, so we tend to know pretty well what is happening there. We usually think that Brazil's problem is first of all an economic one. Which it is. But the way to tackle it starts with quality education for all. Until the Brazilian people are properly educated and thus skilled and developed, there is no way Brazil is going to solve its economic and social problems. I saw it happening in Portugal, so I know. As a youth, in the late 50's and in the 60's of last century, I had the opportunity of seeing an underdeveloped people unable to be sufficiently productive to attain a proper standard of living. It was only after 50 years of intensive efforts in education that we started seeing a definite evolution. Together with a higher rate of investment, millions of better educated people could start being productive and competitive, and we are now very close to being on a level with most European peoples. In fact I believe that in the coming 20 to 30 years we will do better than most other European countries. If Brazil wants to get rid of their gigantic slums, poverty and poor health, it will have to concentrate all efforts in education. And as people get more skilled and competent, production will diversify, higher value goods will be produced, salaries will increase and the slums will slowly disappear. Anything else will lead to failure.

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Re: Pandemic

Post by neverfail » Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:13 pm

Thanks for sharing that insight Sertoroi. But that is long term stuff. The probable spread of Coronavirus into a pandemic in this country that will overwealm their medical and hospital resources (as in Italy only many times worse) is immediate.

Sertorioo, even if Brazil had a government that is closer to the people than the present one they would have an uphill struggle. Just to reduce the coming death toll. But a government that would strip away the minimum protection the Amazon Indians were getting to open up the region up to "development" (i.e. lawless exploitation) by the greedy corporations is surely not going to care about what happens to Brazil's tens of millions of poor.

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Re: Pandemic

Post by Sertorio » Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:22 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:13 pm
Thanks for sharing that insight Sertoroi. But that is long term stuff. The probable spread of Coronavirus into a pandemic in this country that will overwealm their medical and hospital resources (as in Italy only many times worse) is immediate.

Sertorioo, even if Brazil had a government that is closer to the people than the present one they would have an uphill struggle. Just to reduce the coming death toll. But a government that would strip away the minimum protection the Amazon Indians were getting to open up the region up to "development" (i.e. lawless exploitation) by the greedy corporations is surely not going to care about what happens to Brazil's tens of millions of poor.
Yes. I agree with you on that.

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