The Pope is a Communist

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Re: The Pope is a Communist

Post by neverfail » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:17 pm

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Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:05 pm
The money located in tax havens does useful work.
Money located in tax havens is located in tax havens because the owners of it want to escape scrutiny and accountability - including the "laundered" money of organised crime. Otherwise the same moneys would be held in bank accounts in their home countries. So please preach me no more sermons defending tax havens like the one I have just deleted.
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cassowary wrote:
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The Pope sounds like a communist or at least a socialist. .
If Jesus Christ were to be reincarnated, you would probably also regard him as one Cass.

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Re: The Pope is a Communist

Post by cassowary » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:23 pm

neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:17 pm
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:05 pm
The money located in tax havens does useful work.
Money located in tax havens is located in tax havens because the owners of it want to escape scrutiny and accountability - including the "laundered" money of organised crime. Otherwise the same moneys would be held in bank accounts in their home countries. So please preach me no more sermons defending tax havens like the one I have just deleted.
The bulk of it belongs to honest people. The ones that you should be most eager to investigate are the accounts belonging to Socialist dictators who ruined their countries by following Socialist policies.
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Re: The Pope is a Communist

Post by Milo » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:30 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:08 pm
neverfail wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:52 pm
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:04 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:15 am
Milo wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:42 am
The socialist approach is to redistribute wealth through taxation and state owned business, the Christian approach is to give the poor your own money. Given the $ trillions of wealth under the control of the RCC, the approach here is pretty obvious to me!
Does that mean that, in your view, taxes should be replaced by voluntary contributions?...
Yes. That’s a good idea. Taxes are compulsory and so bad. Giving is voluntary . That’s a good thing because it’s from the heart.
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Society would collapse!
No it won't. I am not advocating total abolishment of taxes. But government should only spend money on essentials such as defence, infrastructure, health, police and the judiciary system. They should leave the provisions to the poor to charity. That's what I mean.
But Cass, if you are rich enough you can just pay for all that yourself.

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Re: The Pope is a Communist

Post by neverfail » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:54 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:08 pm

No it won't. I am not advocating total abolishment of taxes. But government should only spend money on essentials such as defence, infrastructure, health, police and the judiciary system. They should leave the provisions to the poor to charity. That's what I mean.
Do you really believe that this has not been tried out before?

They had that very scenario a couple of centuries ago. It did not work so that is why the West moved on.

Your ignorance of social history is only exceeded by your urge to comment on matters about which you know absolutely nothing.

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Re: The Pope is a Communist

Post by cassowary » Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:45 am

neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:54 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:08 pm

No it won't. I am not advocating total abolishment of taxes. But government should only spend money on essentials such as defence, infrastructure, health, police and the judiciary system. They should leave the provisions to the poor to charity. That's what I mean.
Do you really believe that this has not been tried out before?

They had that very scenario a couple of centuries ago. It did not work so that is why the West moved on.

Your ignorance of social history is only exceeded by your urge to comment on matters about which you know absolutely nothing.
It worked fine before.

I believe that before the Great Depression, at the time of Calvin Coolidge, the US had some thing like a laizzez faire system or quite close to it. The US government was not involved much. Federal Government spending was below 5% of GDP as compared to 25% today. Go back to say 15% of GDP.

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See? It was only during the Great Depression that government spending shot up. Let's aim to go back to 15% of GDP. That appears to be where the revenue is. Or at the most bring it down to 20% of GDP.
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Re: The Pope is a Communist

Post by neverfail » Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:54 pm

cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:45 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:54 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:08 pm

No it won't. I am not advocating total abolishment of taxes. But government should only spend money on essentials such as defence, infrastructure, health, police and the judiciary system. They should leave the provisions to the poor to charity. That's what I mean.
Do you really believe that this has not been tried out before?

They had that very scenario a couple of centuries ago. It did not work so that is why the West moved on.

Your ignorance of social history is only exceeded by your urge to comment on matters about which you know absolutely nothing.
It worked fine before.

I believe that before the Great Depression, at the time of Calvin Coolidge, the US had some thing like a laizzez faire system or quite close to it. The US government was not involved much. Federal Government spending was below 5% of GDP as compared to 25% today. Go back to say 15% of GDP.

See? It was only during the Great Depression that government spending shot up. Let's aim to go back to 15% of GDP. That appears to be where the revenue is. Or at the most bring it down to 20% of GDP.
I was thinking more of Dickensian England.

"I am not advocating total abolishment of taxes. But government should only spend money on essentials such as defence, infrastructure, health, police and the judiciary system. They should leave the provisions to the poor to charity."

Your own words describe how Britain was run approx. 200 years ago and more - with the caveat that government then spent almost nothing on public health. Private charity, chief of which were the Church of England sweatshop workhouses for the many destitute, proved utterly incapable in coping with, let alone resolving, the horrendous social problems of the time. That's why the state had to step in.

Now, what leads to to believe that life back in 1920's America was any pot of honey?

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Re: The Pope is a Communist

Post by cassowary » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:41 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:54 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:45 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:54 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:08 pm

No it won't. I am not advocating total abolishment of taxes. But government should only spend money on essentials such as defence, infrastructure, health, police and the judiciary system. They should leave the provisions to the poor to charity. That's what I mean.
Do you really believe that this has not been tried out before?

They had that very scenario a couple of centuries ago. It did not work so that is why the West moved on.

Your ignorance of social history is only exceeded by your urge to comment on matters about which you know absolutely nothing.
It worked fine before.

I believe that before the Great Depression, at the time of Calvin Coolidge, the US had some thing like a laizzez faire system or quite close to it. The US government was not involved much. Federal Government spending was below 5% of GDP as compared to 25% today. Go back to say 15% of GDP.

See? It was only during the Great Depression that government spending shot up. Let's aim to go back to 15% of GDP. That appears to be where the revenue is. Or at the most bring it down to 20% of GDP.
I was thinking more of Dickensian England.

"I am not advocating total abolishment of taxes. But government should only spend money on essentials such as defence, infrastructure, health, police and the judiciary system. They should leave the provisions to the poor to charity."

Your own words describe how Britain was run approx. 200 years ago and more - with the caveat that government then spent almost nothing on public health. Private charity, chief of which were the Church of England sweatshop workhouses for the many destitute, proved utterly incapable in coping with, let alone resolving, the horrendous social problems of the time. That's why the state had to step in.

Now, what leads to to believe that life back in 1920's America was any pot of honey?
It was economic growth that led to the reduction of poverty since Charles Dicken’s time. Not government spending. I think government spending should be capped at no more than 20% of GDP.
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Re: The Pope is guided by the Holy Spirit?

Post by neverfail » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:27 pm

cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:41 pm
It was economic growth that led to the reduction of poverty since Charles Dicken’s time. Not government spending.
Not incompatable.

Logically, economic growth permits greater government spending.

Economic growth is only a key. A key is there to open doors.
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But that is beside the point Cassowary. Had the present Pope been alive and on the Throne of Saint Peter in Charles Dickens' time he would probably have identified the exploitative socio-economic-political structure they had in place in Britain at the time as sinful.

Just as (in more recent memory) his predecessor in office, Pope John Paul the Second, identified environmental abuse in our time as sinful (or are you unaware of that?).

In that regard Pope Francis is arguably only walking in the footsteps of his illustrious predecessor.

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Re: The Pope is guided by the Holy Spirit?

Post by Milo » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:52 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:27 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:41 pm
It was economic growth that led to the reduction of poverty since Charles Dicken’s time. Not government spending.
Not incompatable.

Logically, economic growth permits greater government spending.

Economic growth is only a key. A key is there to open doors.
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But that is beside the point Cassowary. Had the present Pope been alive and on the Throne of Saint Peter in Charles Dickens' time he would probably have identified the exploitative socio-economic-political structure they had in place in Britain at the time as sinful.

Just as (in more recent memory) his predecessor in office, Pope John Paul the Second, identified environmental abuse in our time as sinful (or are you unaware of that?).

In that regard Pope Francis is arguably only walking in the footsteps of his illustrious predecessor.
It's a bit odd that so many find this Pope's pronouncements so novel. He has not done much new at all.

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Re: The Pope is guided by the Holy Spirit?

Post by Jim the Moron » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:16 pm

Milo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:52 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:27 pm
cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:41 pm
It was economic growth that led to the reduction of poverty since Charles Dicken’s time. Not government spending.
Not incompatable.

Logically, economic growth permits greater government spending.

Economic growth is only a key. A key is there to open doors.
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But that is beside the point Cassowary. Had the present Pope been alive and on the Throne of Saint Peter in Charles Dickens' time he would probably have identified the exploitative socio-economic-political structure they had in place in Britain at the time as sinful.

Just as (in more recent memory) his predecessor in office, Pope John Paul the Second, identified environmental abuse in our time as sinful (or are you unaware of that?).

In that regard Pope Francis is arguably only walking in the footsteps of his illustrious predecessor.
It's a bit odd that so many find this Pope's pronouncements so novel. He has not done much new at all.

Word on the street is that yesterday he made a blind man lame. Isn't that something new?

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