China's Coronavirus is Much Worse Than You Think

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Re: Did the Virus start in China's bio-weapons lab in Wuhan?

Post by Sertorio » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:44 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:34 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:28 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:29 pm
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In his speech, Gen. Chi provides us with a key for understanding China’s development strategy. According to Chi, “Our economic development is all about preparing for the needs of war!” It’s not about improving the life of Chinese people in the short run. It’s not about building a consumer-oriented capitalist society. “Publicly, said Gen, Chi, “we still emphasize economic development as our center, but in reality, economic development has war as its center!”

The same can be said for China’s intense interest in the biological sciences.
So evil. But what do you expect from Socialists/Communists? After all, these are the people who killed 45 million Chinese during the Great Leap Forward and are now imprisoning millions of Uighurs in concentration camps.
Not long after delivering his speech, Gen. Chi stepped down as Defense Minister in 2003, the same year as the SARS (coronavirus) outbreak in China. This was also (coincidentally) the same year Beijing decided to build the Wuhan P4 virology lab. Given Gen. Chi’s speech, is the novel coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan an accident occasioned by weaponizing the virus at the city’s P4 microbiology lab?

Three data points are worth considering. First, in 2008 Taiwan’s top security official told lawmakers that “Taiwan had intelligence linking the SARS virus to research done in Chinese labs,” according to the Sydney Morning Herald.
To assist you with your campaign, here is a very good idea:

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With a few adaptations I'm sure you could use it... :lol:
Is that all you are capable of?
I thought it was quite sufficient... :lol:

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Re: China's Coronavirus is Much Worse Than You Think

Post by armchair_pundit » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:26 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:44 am
With a few adaptations I'm sure you could use it... :lol:
cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:34 am
Is that all you are capable of?
I thought it was quite sufficient...
Yes, Cass, it seems to be.

We all know that had this been some RT article quoting an American "source" (which would quite sufficient for Sertorio) about how the evil Americans were weaponizing (any) virus and Trump is using it in his all out war on the world (excepting Israel, of course) in phase 2 of the obliteration of China, he would push it until it choked itself out...

His partisanship blinds him. His automatic defense of totalitarian regimes is a bit frightening.

Not saying this is a bio-weapons release, accidental, planned, or sabotage, but the few people who really know will not be admitting it, and would kill (or be killed) to suppress it. Whether it was China, Russia, US, UK, Botswana, Iran or (insert your state power here).

I find the circumstances curious at a minimum. We shall see how it plays out...

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Re: China's Coronavirus is Much Worse Than You Think

Post by Sertorio » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:37 am

armchair_pundit wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:26 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:44 am
With a few adaptations I'm sure you could use it... :lol:
cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:34 am
Is that all you are capable of?
I thought it was quite sufficient...
Yes, Cass, it seems to be.

We all know that had this been some RT article quoting an American "source" (which would quite sufficient for Sertorio) about how the evil Americans were weaponizing (any) virus and Trump is using it in his all out war on the world (excepting Israel, of course) in phase 2 of the obliteration of China, he would push it until it choked itself out...

His partisanship blinds him. His automatic defense of totalitarian regimes is a bit frightening.

Not saying this is a bio-weapons release, accidental, planned, or sabotage, but the few people who really know will not be admitting it, and would kill (or be killed) to suppress it. Whether it was China, Russia, US, UK, Botswana, Iran or (insert your state power here).

I find the circumstances curious at a minimum. We shall see how it plays out...
I dislike totalitarian regimes, of any kind. But I defend the right of peoples under totalitarian regimes to free themselves by their own efforts. American intervention against those regimes is never meant to free the people, but to turn their country into another American vassal state. That's why I systematically attack US policies and US warmongering. But maybe this is too outlandish for you to understand...

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Re: China's Coronavirus is Much Worse Than You Think

Post by Doc » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:49 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:37 am
armchair_pundit wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:26 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:44 am
With a few adaptations I'm sure you could use it... :lol:
cassowary wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:34 am
Is that all you are capable of?
I thought it was quite sufficient...
Yes, Cass, it seems to be.

We all know that had this been some RT article quoting an American "source" (which would quite sufficient for Sertorio) about how the evil Americans were weaponizing (any) virus and Trump is using it in his all out war on the world (excepting Israel, of course) in phase 2 of the obliteration of China, he would push it until it choked itself out...

His partisanship blinds him. His automatic defense of totalitarian regimes is a bit frightening.

Not saying this is a bio-weapons release, accidental, planned, or sabotage, but the few people who really know will not be admitting it, and would kill (or be killed) to suppress it. Whether it was China, Russia, US, UK, Botswana, Iran or (insert your state power here).

I find the circumstances curious at a minimum. We shall see how it plays out...
I dislike totalitarian regimes, of any kind. But I defend the right of peoples under totalitarian regimes to free themselves by their own efforts. American intervention against those regimes is never meant to free the people, but to turn their country into another American vassal state. That's why I systematically attack US policies and US warmongering. But maybe this is too outlandish for you to understand...
It seems the Chinese people, and the people of the world at large, have a long term choice -->Live free or die from totalitarian incompetence(or worse)

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/n7je ... oronavirus
‘More Than Outraged’: Chinese Citizens Are Getting Angry About Beijing's Handling of Coronavirus
Almost 10,000 people are now infected in China, and some citizens are accusing the government of covering up the threat of the virus.

by David Gilbert
Jan 31 2020, 8:30am

A week into the lockdown of 50 million people in central China, the spread of the coronavirus is showing no signs of slowing down, and residents are beginning to vent their anger.

At a hospital in Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, a man whose father-in-law had just died from the virus attacked a doctor, pulling and damaging the doctor’s mask and protective clothing and potentially exposing him to the virus, state-run CCTV reported. The man was detained by police.

The incident highlights the growing frustration among citizens in Wuhan and across Hubei province, where tens of millions of people are closed off from the rest of the country in the Chinese government’s radical effort to stem the spread of the new coronavirus.

So far, that effort is not working.

The Chinese health commission announced that the death toll from the coronavirus outbreak has reached 213, with 43 new deaths announced Friday, the worst 24-hour period since the crisis began.

There are 9,810 confirmed cases globally, with more than 15,000 suspected cases in China alone.

Hospitals, doctors, and officials in Hubei continue to appeal for more supplies and resources to deal with the crisis. The supply shortage led some doctors in Huanggang, a city of 7 million people close to Wuhan, to wear raincoats rather than protective suits and garbage bags as shoe covers, according to the financial news website Yicai.

People trapped in Hubei are angry at the government’s delayed reaction to the crisis, and that anger escalated on Thursday after the New England Journal of Medicine published a paper that revealed that human-to-human transmission of the virus “has occurred among close contacts since the middle of December 2019.”

The government largely ignored the spread of the virus until the middle of January, and now Chinese citizens are outraged by what they see as Beijing’s cover-up of the severity of the situation.

“I am more than outraged, and literally speechless,” Wang Liming, a biology professor at Zhejiang University, wrote on Weibo. “This is the first solid proof that human transmission was intentionally hidden from the public.”

Wang’s post was later deleted, the South China Morning Post reported.

READ: You can now go to jail in China for criticizing Beijing’s coronavirus response

Throughout the growing crisis, Beijing has tried to downplay the severity of the situation and to silence those seeking to raise awareness of the new virus.

In early January police arrested eight frontline doctors who tried to raise the alarm by sharing details in a private messaging group, though a court in Beijing this week slammed the detentions, saying, “It might have been a fortunate thing if the public had believed the ‘rumor’ then and started to wear masks and carry out sanitization measures.”

One of those doctors subsequently contracted the virus and remains in a critical condition.

Internationally, the virus continues to spread, with the U.K. confirming its first two cases on Friday morning. In the U.S. and Thailand, authorities reported their first cases of human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus.

The situation led the World Health Organization to declare the outbreak a “public health emergency of international concern,” following a meeting in Geneva. The declaration means countries can close their borders, cancel flights, and screen people arriving at ports of entry.

“The main reason for this declaration is not because of what is happening in China but because of what is happening in other countries,” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO director-general, told reporters in Geneva on Thursday. “Our greatest concern is the potential for this virus to spread to countries with weaker health systems which are ill-prepared to deal with it.”

READ: China reported 1,700 new cases of coronavirus in a single day

“This declaration is not a vote of non-confidence in China,” Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. “On the contrary, WHO continues to have the confidence in China’s capacity to control the outbreak.”

On Thursday evening, the U.S. State Department issued a Level 4 travel advisory, its highest risk assessment, urging all Americans not to travel to China.

It also issued an “authorized departure” notice to all diplomatic staff. The designation, which is one step down from a mandatory evacuation, means that the staff at the U.S. Embassy in Beijing and the Consulates General in four other cities, along with their family members and all non-emergency U.S. government employees, are permitted to leave the country.

More than a dozen countries have begun repatriation flights for citizens who are trapped in Hubei province. Conversely, the Chinese government has chartered flights to bring Wuhan residents trapped abroad home.
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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Re: China's Coronavirus is Much Worse Than You Think

Post by Sertorio » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:12 am

Doc wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:49 am

It seems the Chinese people, and the people of the world at large, have a long term choice -->Live free or die from totalitarian incompetence(or worse)

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/n7je ... oronavirus
‘More Than Outraged’: Chinese Citizens Are Getting Angry About Beijing's Handling of Coronavirus
Almost 10,000 people are now infected in China, and some citizens are accusing the government of covering up the threat of the virus.

by David Gilbert
Jan 31 2020, 8:30am

A week into the lockdown of 50 million people in central China, the spread of the coronavirus is showing no signs of slowing down, and residents are beginning to vent their anger.

At a hospital in Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, a man whose father-in-law had just died from the virus attacked a doctor, pulling and damaging the doctor’s mask and protective clothing and potentially exposing him to the virus, state-run CCTV reported. The man was detained by police.

The incident highlights the growing frustration among citizens in Wuhan and across Hubei province, where tens of millions of people are closed off from the rest of the country in the Chinese government’s radical effort to stem the spread of the new coronavirus.

So far, that effort is not working.

The Chinese health commission announced that the death toll from the coronavirus outbreak has reached 213, with 43 new deaths announced Friday, the worst 24-hour period since the crisis began.

There are 9,810 confirmed cases globally, with more than 15,000 suspected cases in China alone.

Hospitals, doctors, and officials in Hubei continue to appeal for more supplies and resources to deal with the crisis. The supply shortage led some doctors in Huanggang, a city of 7 million people close to Wuhan, to wear raincoats rather than protective suits and garbage bags as shoe covers, according to the financial news website Yicai.

People trapped in Hubei are angry at the government’s delayed reaction to the crisis, and that anger escalated on Thursday after the New England Journal of Medicine published a paper that revealed that human-to-human transmission of the virus “has occurred among close contacts since the middle of December 2019.”

The government largely ignored the spread of the virus until the middle of January, and now Chinese citizens are outraged by what they see as Beijing’s cover-up of the severity of the situation.

“I am more than outraged, and literally speechless,” Wang Liming, a biology professor at Zhejiang University, wrote on Weibo. “This is the first solid proof that human transmission was intentionally hidden from the public.”

Wang’s post was later deleted, the South China Morning Post reported.

READ: You can now go to jail in China for criticizing Beijing’s coronavirus response

Throughout the growing crisis, Beijing has tried to downplay the severity of the situation and to silence those seeking to raise awareness of the new virus.

In early January police arrested eight frontline doctors who tried to raise the alarm by sharing details in a private messaging group, though a court in Beijing this week slammed the detentions, saying, “It might have been a fortunate thing if the public had believed the ‘rumor’ then and started to wear masks and carry out sanitization measures.”

One of those doctors subsequently contracted the virus and remains in a critical condition.

Internationally, the virus continues to spread, with the U.K. confirming its first two cases on Friday morning. In the U.S. and Thailand, authorities reported their first cases of human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus.

The situation led the World Health Organization to declare the outbreak a “public health emergency of international concern,” following a meeting in Geneva. The declaration means countries can close their borders, cancel flights, and screen people arriving at ports of entry.

“The main reason for this declaration is not because of what is happening in China but because of what is happening in other countries,” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO director-general, told reporters in Geneva on Thursday. “Our greatest concern is the potential for this virus to spread to countries with weaker health systems which are ill-prepared to deal with it.”

READ: China reported 1,700 new cases of coronavirus in a single day

“This declaration is not a vote of non-confidence in China,” Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. “On the contrary, WHO continues to have the confidence in China’s capacity to control the outbreak.”

On Thursday evening, the U.S. State Department issued a Level 4 travel advisory, its highest risk assessment, urging all Americans not to travel to China.

It also issued an “authorized departure” notice to all diplomatic staff. The designation, which is one step down from a mandatory evacuation, means that the staff at the U.S. Embassy in Beijing and the Consulates General in four other cities, along with their family members and all non-emergency U.S. government employees, are permitted to leave the country.

More than a dozen countries have begun repatriation flights for citizens who are trapped in Hubei province. Conversely, the Chinese government has chartered flights to bring Wuhan residents trapped abroad home.
I wonder what those Chinese expect from their governement: that it orders the virus to leave people alone and move elsewhere, preferably to the US?...

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Re: China's Coronavirus is Much Worse Than You Think

Post by cassowary » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:22 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:12 am
Doc wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:49 am

It seems the Chinese people, and the people of the world at large, have a long term choice -->Live free or die from totalitarian incompetence(or worse)

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/n7je ... oronavirus
‘More Than Outraged’: Chinese Citizens Are Getting Angry About Beijing's Handling of Coronavirus
Almost 10,000 people are now infected in China, and some citizens are accusing the government of covering up the threat of the virus.

by David Gilbert
Jan 31 2020, 8:30am

A week into the lockdown of 50 million people in central China, the spread of the coronavirus is showing no signs of slowing down, and residents are beginning to vent their anger.

At a hospital in Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, a man whose father-in-law had just died from the virus attacked a doctor, pulling and damaging the doctor’s mask and protective clothing and potentially exposing him to the virus, state-run CCTV reported. The man was detained by police.

The incident highlights the growing frustration among citizens in Wuhan and across Hubei province, where tens of millions of people are closed off from the rest of the country in the Chinese government’s radical effort to stem the spread of the new coronavirus.

So far, that effort is not working.

The Chinese health commission announced that the death toll from the coronavirus outbreak has reached 213, with 43 new deaths announced Friday, the worst 24-hour period since the crisis began.

There are 9,810 confirmed cases globally, with more than 15,000 suspected cases in China alone.

Hospitals, doctors, and officials in Hubei continue to appeal for more supplies and resources to deal with the crisis. The supply shortage led some doctors in Huanggang, a city of 7 million people close to Wuhan, to wear raincoats rather than protective suits and garbage bags as shoe covers, according to the financial news website Yicai.

People trapped in Hubei are angry at the government’s delayed reaction to the crisis, and that anger escalated on Thursday after the New England Journal of Medicine published a paper that revealed that human-to-human transmission of the virus “has occurred among close contacts since the middle of December 2019.”

The government largely ignored the spread of the virus until the middle of January, and now Chinese citizens are outraged by what they see as Beijing’s cover-up of the severity of the situation.

“I am more than outraged, and literally speechless,” Wang Liming, a biology professor at Zhejiang University, wrote on Weibo. “This is the first solid proof that human transmission was intentionally hidden from the public.”

Wang’s post was later deleted, the South China Morning Post reported.

READ: You can now go to jail in China for criticizing Beijing’s coronavirus response

Throughout the growing crisis, Beijing has tried to downplay the severity of the situation and to silence those seeking to raise awareness of the new virus.

In early January police arrested eight frontline doctors who tried to raise the alarm by sharing details in a private messaging group, though a court in Beijing this week slammed the detentions, saying, “It might have been a fortunate thing if the public had believed the ‘rumor’ then and started to wear masks and carry out sanitization measures.”

One of those doctors subsequently contracted the virus and remains in a critical condition.

Internationally, the virus continues to spread, with the U.K. confirming its first two cases on Friday morning. In the U.S. and Thailand, authorities reported their first cases of human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus.

The situation led the World Health Organization to declare the outbreak a “public health emergency of international concern,” following a meeting in Geneva. The declaration means countries can close their borders, cancel flights, and screen people arriving at ports of entry.

“The main reason for this declaration is not because of what is happening in China but because of what is happening in other countries,” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO director-general, told reporters in Geneva on Thursday. “Our greatest concern is the potential for this virus to spread to countries with weaker health systems which are ill-prepared to deal with it.”

READ: China reported 1,700 new cases of coronavirus in a single day

“This declaration is not a vote of non-confidence in China,” Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. “On the contrary, WHO continues to have the confidence in China’s capacity to control the outbreak.”

On Thursday evening, the U.S. State Department issued a Level 4 travel advisory, its highest risk assessment, urging all Americans not to travel to China.

It also issued an “authorized departure” notice to all diplomatic staff. The designation, which is one step down from a mandatory evacuation, means that the staff at the U.S. Embassy in Beijing and the Consulates General in four other cities, along with their family members and all non-emergency U.S. government employees, are permitted to leave the country.

More than a dozen countries have begun repatriation flights for citizens who are trapped in Hubei province. Conversely, the Chinese government has chartered flights to bring Wuhan residents trapped abroad home.
I wonder what those Chinese expect from their governement: that it orders the virus to leave people alone and move elsewhere, preferably to the US?...
See you are defending China. Your bias for a totalitarian regime is frightening as well as revealing of the left.
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Re: China's Coronavirus is Much Worse Than You Think

Post by Doc » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:18 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:12 am
Doc wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:49 am

It seems the Chinese people, and the people of the world at large, have a long term choice -->Live free or die from totalitarian incompetence(or worse)

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/n7je ... oronavirus
‘More Than Outraged’: Chinese Citizens Are Getting Angry About Beijing's Handling of Coronavirus
Almost 10,000 people are now infected in China, and some citizens are accusing the government of covering up the threat of the virus.

by David Gilbert
Jan 31 2020, 8:30am

A week into the lockdown of 50 million people in central China, the spread of the coronavirus is showing no signs of slowing down, and residents are beginning to vent their anger.

At a hospital in Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, a man whose father-in-law had just died from the virus attacked a doctor, pulling and damaging the doctor’s mask and protective clothing and potentially exposing him to the virus, state-run CCTV reported. The man was detained by police.

The incident highlights the growing frustration among citizens in Wuhan and across Hubei province, where tens of millions of people are closed off from the rest of the country in the Chinese government’s radical effort to stem the spread of the new coronavirus.

So far, that effort is not working.

The Chinese health commission announced that the death toll from the coronavirus outbreak has reached 213, with 43 new deaths announced Friday, the worst 24-hour period since the crisis began.

There are 9,810 confirmed cases globally, with more than 15,000 suspected cases in China alone.

Hospitals, doctors, and officials in Hubei continue to appeal for more supplies and resources to deal with the crisis. The supply shortage led some doctors in Huanggang, a city of 7 million people close to Wuhan, to wear raincoats rather than protective suits and garbage bags as shoe covers, according to the financial news website Yicai.

People trapped in Hubei are angry at the government’s delayed reaction to the crisis, and that anger escalated on Thursday after the New England Journal of Medicine published a paper that revealed that human-to-human transmission of the virus “has occurred among close contacts since the middle of December 2019.”

The government largely ignored the spread of the virus until the middle of January, and now Chinese citizens are outraged by what they see as Beijing’s cover-up of the severity of the situation.

“I am more than outraged, and literally speechless,” Wang Liming, a biology professor at Zhejiang University, wrote on Weibo. “This is the first solid proof that human transmission was intentionally hidden from the public.”

Wang’s post was later deleted, the South China Morning Post reported.

READ: You can now go to jail in China for criticizing Beijing’s coronavirus response

Throughout the growing crisis, Beijing has tried to downplay the severity of the situation and to silence those seeking to raise awareness of the new virus.

In early January police arrested eight frontline doctors who tried to raise the alarm by sharing details in a private messaging group, though a court in Beijing this week slammed the detentions, saying, “It might have been a fortunate thing if the public had believed the ‘rumor’ then and started to wear masks and carry out sanitization measures.”

One of those doctors subsequently contracted the virus and remains in a critical condition.

Internationally, the virus continues to spread, with the U.K. confirming its first two cases on Friday morning. In the U.S. and Thailand, authorities reported their first cases of human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus.

The situation led the World Health Organization to declare the outbreak a “public health emergency of international concern,” following a meeting in Geneva. The declaration means countries can close their borders, cancel flights, and screen people arriving at ports of entry.

“The main reason for this declaration is not because of what is happening in China but because of what is happening in other countries,” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO director-general, told reporters in Geneva on Thursday. “Our greatest concern is the potential for this virus to spread to countries with weaker health systems which are ill-prepared to deal with it.”

READ: China reported 1,700 new cases of coronavirus in a single day

“This declaration is not a vote of non-confidence in China,” Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. “On the contrary, WHO continues to have the confidence in China’s capacity to control the outbreak.”

On Thursday evening, the U.S. State Department issued a Level 4 travel advisory, its highest risk assessment, urging all Americans not to travel to China.

It also issued an “authorized departure” notice to all diplomatic staff. The designation, which is one step down from a mandatory evacuation, means that the staff at the U.S. Embassy in Beijing and the Consulates General in four other cities, along with their family members and all non-emergency U.S. government employees, are permitted to leave the country.

More than a dozen countries have begun repatriation flights for citizens who are trapped in Hubei province. Conversely, the Chinese government has chartered flights to bring Wuhan residents trapped abroad home.
I wonder what those Chinese expect from their governement: that it orders the virus to leave people alone and move elsewhere, preferably to the US?...
How about providing for the general welfare instead of the welfare of the ruling class?

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Re: China's Coronavirus is Much Worse Than You Think

Post by Sertorio » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:44 pm

Doc wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:18 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:12 am

I wonder what those Chinese expect from their governement: that it orders the virus to leave people alone and move elsewhere, preferably to the US?...
How about providing for the general welfare instead of the welfare of the ruling class?

Maybe you should write a manual titled: "How to eliminate a highly contagious virus in a country of 1.3 billion people" and send it to the Chinese government. I'm sure they would be delighted to follow your expert advice...

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Re: China's Coronavirus is Much Worse Than You Think

Post by Doc » Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:15 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:44 pm
Doc wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:18 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:12 am

I wonder what those Chinese expect from their governement: that it orders the virus to leave people alone and move elsewhere, preferably to the US?...
How about providing for the general welfare instead of the welfare of the ruling class?

Maybe you should write a manual titled: "How to eliminate a highly contagious virus in a country of 1.3 billion people" and send it to the Chinese government. I'm sure they would be delighted to follow your expert advice...
I would say they are doing everything they can do as far as quarantined go. That is what they need to do more than anything else. The problem is that this is all top down. If local officials say there is a problem they get in trouble. And since anyone complaining outside of government faces a 7 year jail term for speaking up the top leadership is never going to here things are going wrong until it is too late. Like for example finding out there is a serious outbreak of a new virus like the coronavirus.

This is the problem with totalitarianism. Top down solutions rarely work out the way they are supposedly meant to. There is no feed back because the leadership feels it knows what is best to do with the lives of everyone else. Generally totalitarianism fails because of this. It is the human nature of people that dictate to feel they know all the answers ad also feel it is a real pain in the ass when they are told their way of doing something is not working. So they instead of fixing the problem suppress other ideas of what to do.
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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Re: China's Coronavirus is Much Worse Than You Think

Post by Sertorio » Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:39 pm

Doc wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:15 pm

I would say they are doing everything they can do as far as quarantined go. That is what they need to do more than anything else. The problem is that this is all top down. If local officials say there is a problem they get in trouble. And since anyone complaining outside of government faces a 7 year jail term for speaking up the top leadership is never going to here things are going wrong until it is too late. Like for example finding out there is a serious outbreak of a new virus like the coronavirus.

This is the problem with totalitarianism. Top down solutions rarely work out the way they are supposedly meant to. There is no feed back because the leadership feels it knows what is best to do with the lives of everyone else. Generally totalitarianism fails because of this. It is the human nature of people that dictate to feel they know all the answers ad also feel it is a real pain in the ass when they are told their way of doing something is not working. So they instead of fixing the problem suppress other ideas of what to do.
A less authoritarian government could never try and control the movement of tens of millions people, as the Chinese government has done in Wuhan, in order to make the spread of the virus more difficult. Wait until something like this happens in the US and we will see how much better the government will cope with it... My feeling is that it would be ten times worse in the US than it has been in China.

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