Advantages of being allied to the US

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Advantages of being allied to the US

Post by Sertorio » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:31 am

Sorry, No Refund: US Won’t Compensate Australia For Defective $85 Million Fighter Jet

The United States won’t compensate Australia for a defective US-made EA-18G Growler fighter jet that caught fire during a training exercise due to an engine malfunction, Air Vice-Marshal Greg Hoffman told the country’s Senate Estimates Committee on 29 November. The specialised version of the F/A-18F Super Hornet jet, which cost Australian taxpayers 85 million dollars, burst into flames while attempting to take off at a US military base in Nevada in 2018. The Australian Defence Force scrapped the aircraft from its service, leaving it with 11 Growler fighter jets in its fleet.

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Asked why Canberra won’t be reimbursed for the jet that broke down, not because of a pilot error, but due to technical malfunction, Air Vice-Marshal Greg Hoffman said that the jets had been purchased under a contract that didn’t allow for compensation.
During Friday’s hearing, Australia’s Defence Ministry delivered another piece of “good” news to senators and taxpayers, saying that the country’s fleet of 72 F-35 fighter jets, worth 18 billion dollars, would also be delivered without warranty.

https://sputniknews.com/world/201911301 ... ghter-jet/
Had Australia bought reliable aircraft from a reliable country, like Russia, it wouldn't have this sort of problems... :D

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Re: Advantages of being allied to the US

Post by neverfail » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:11 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:31 am
Sorry, No Refund: US Won’t Compensate Australia For Defective $85 Million Fighter Jet

The United States won’t compensate Australia for a defective US-made EA-18G Growler fighter jet that caught fire during a training exercise due to an engine malfunction, Air Vice-Marshal Greg Hoffman told the country’s Senate Estimates Committee on 29 November. The specialised version of the F/A-18F Super Hornet jet, which cost Australian taxpayers 85 million dollars, burst into flames while attempting to take off at a US military base in Nevada in 2018. The Australian Defence Force scrapped the aircraft from its service, leaving it with 11 Growler fighter jets in its fleet.

(...)

Asked why Canberra won’t be reimbursed for the jet that broke down, not because of a pilot error, but due to technical malfunction, Air Vice-Marshal Greg Hoffman said that the jets had been purchased under a contract that didn’t allow for compensation.
During Friday’s hearing, Australia’s Defence Ministry delivered another piece of “good” news to senators and taxpayers, saying that the country’s fleet of 72 F-35 fighter jets, worth 18 billion dollars, would also be delivered without warranty.

https://sputniknews.com/world/201911301 ... ghter-jet/
Had Australia bought reliable aircraft from a reliable country, like Russia, it wouldn't have this sort of problems... :D
:lol: Luckily there is a lot more to being an ally of the United States than petty cash stuff like this. The benefits still outweigh the costs or else we would not bother.

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Re: Advantages of being allied to the US

Post by neverfail » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:12 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:31 am
Sorry, No Refund: US Won’t Compensate Australia For Defective $85 Million Fighter Jet

The United States won’t compensate Australia for a defective US-made EA-18G Growler fighter jet that caught fire during a training exercise due to an engine malfunction, Air Vice-Marshal Greg Hoffman told the country’s Senate Estimates Committee on 29 November. The specialised version of the F/A-18F Super Hornet jet, which cost Australian taxpayers 85 million dollars, burst into flames while attempting to take off at a US military base in Nevada in 2018. The Australian Defence Force scrapped the aircraft from its service, leaving it with 11 Growler fighter jets in its fleet.

(...)

Asked why Canberra won’t be reimbursed for the jet that broke down, not because of a pilot error, but due to technical malfunction, Air Vice-Marshal Greg Hoffman said that the jets had been purchased under a contract that didn’t allow for compensation.
During Friday’s hearing, Australia’s Defence Ministry delivered another piece of “good” news to senators and taxpayers, saying that the country’s fleet of 72 F-35 fighter jets, worth 18 billion dollars, would also be delivered without warranty.

https://sputniknews.com/world/201911301 ... ghter-jet/
Had Australia bought reliable aircraft from a reliable country, like Russia, it wouldn't have this sort of problems... :D
:lol: Luckily there is a lot more to being an ally of the United States than petty cash stuff like this. The benefits still outweigh the costs or else we would not bother.

Thanks for drawing my attention to this anyway.[/quote]

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Re: Advantages of being allied to the US

Post by cassowary » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:43 pm

Buying Russian Technology did not help the Syrians against the Israelis.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... ters-81976

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/russian ... ver-syria/
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Re: Advantages of being allied to the US

Post by Sertorio » Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:45 am

cassowary wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:43 pm
Buying Russian Technology did not help the Syrians against the Israelis.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... ters-81976

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/russian ... ver-syria/
Nothing to do with Russian technology. Syria cannot afford a wider conflict with Israel and Russia does not want to give the US a further excuse to interfere in Syrian affairs. Better to accept occasional small humiliation at the hands of Israel...

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Re: Advantages of being allied to the US

Post by cassowary » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:02 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:45 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:43 pm
Buying Russian Technology did not help the Syrians against the Israelis.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... ters-81976

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/russian ... ver-syria/
Nothing to do with Russian technology. Syria cannot afford a wider conflict with Israel and Russia does not want to give the US a further excuse to interfere in Syrian affairs. Better to accept occasional small humiliation at the hands of Israel...
So you reckon the Syrians refrained to shoot at Israeli planes flying over Syria.
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Re: Advantages of being allied to the US

Post by Sertorio » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:03 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:02 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:45 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:43 pm
Buying Russian Technology did not help the Syrians against the Israelis.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... ters-81976

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/russian ... ver-syria/
Nothing to do with Russian technology. Syria cannot afford a wider conflict with Israel and Russia does not want to give the US a further excuse to interfere in Syrian affairs. Better to accept occasional small humiliation at the hands of Israel...
So you reckon the Syrians refrained to shoot at Israeli planes flying over Syria.
Yes. Syrians and Russians. But I have no doubt those "stealth" planes were spotted...

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Re: Advantages of being allied to the US

Post by neverfail » Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:46 pm

Australia would not buy advanced weaponry from the Russian Federation for the same reason that we would not buy it from China: either one would predictably use its position as supplier to try and lever us out of our alliance from the US. That is a political price too steep to pay.

Australia has an unusual relationship with Russia. There is no enmity between the two as their respective sets of national interests are too mutually remote to be in conflict. But there is no obvious common interests to bring the two together in a collaborative relationship either.

Since the USA has a coastline on the Pacific Ocean it also has an interest in maintaining peace and stability in the Pacific basin and so do we.

We do not rely on the USA for all of our armaments by any means. At present in collaboration with France a new fleet of submarines of French design is about to be built in an Australian shipyard. These are to replace an ageing fleet of submarines built here that were of Swedish design. The two newest multi-purpose ships in our blue water navy are of Spanish design and built at a Spanish shipyard. and so on.

The point is that none of these above-mentioned supplier countries are in a formal alliance with Australia but all are considered benign, trustworthy and basically friendly. Russia and the PRC are for this reason both "off limits" for arms purchasing for our armed forces.

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Re: Advantages of being allied to the US

Post by Sertorio » Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:56 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:46 pm
Australia would not buy advanced weaponry from the Russian Federation for the same reason that we would not buy it from China: either one would predictably use its position as supplier to try and lever us out of our alliance from the US. That is a political price too steep to pay.

Australia has an unusual relationship with Russia. There is no enmity between the two as their respective sets of national interests are too mutually remote to be in conflict. But there is no obvious common interests to bring the two together in a collaborative relationship either.

Since the USA has a coastline on the Pacific Ocean it also has an interest in maintaining peace and stability in the Pacific basin and so do we.

We do not rely on the USA for all of our armaments by any means. At present in collaboration with France a new fleet of submarines of French design is about to be built in an Australian shipyard. These are to replace an ageing fleet of submarines built here that were of Swedish design. The two newest multi-purpose ships in our blue water navy are of Spanish design and built at a Spanish shipyard. and so on.

The point is that none of these above-mentioned supplier countries are in a formal alliance with Australia but all are considered benign, trustworthy and basically friendly. Russia and the PRC are for this reason both "off limits" for arms purchasing for our armed forces.
But only the US can drag Australia into a war where many Australians could get killed. Without Australian interests being at risk at all... It has already happened. In Vietnam. And it could happen again. But this time against a very powerful China... Are you willing to take that risk?...

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Re: Advantages of being allied to the US

Post by Doc » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:24 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:56 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:46 pm
Australia would not buy advanced weaponry from the Russian Federation for the same reason that we would not buy it from China: either one would predictably use its position as supplier to try and lever us out of our alliance from the US. That is a political price too steep to pay.

Australia has an unusual relationship with Russia. There is no enmity between the two as their respective sets of national interests are too mutually remote to be in conflict. But there is no obvious common interests to bring the two together in a collaborative relationship either.

Since the USA has a coastline on the Pacific Ocean it also has an interest in maintaining peace and stability in the Pacific basin and so do we.

We do not rely on the USA for all of our armaments by any means. At present in collaboration with France a new fleet of submarines of French design is about to be built in an Australian shipyard. These are to replace an ageing fleet of submarines built here that were of Swedish design. The two newest multi-purpose ships in our blue water navy are of Spanish design and built at a Spanish shipyard. and so on.

The point is that none of these above-mentioned supplier countries are in a formal alliance with Australia but all are considered benign, trustworthy and basically friendly. Russia and the PRC are for this reason both "off limits" for arms purchasing for our armed forces.
But only the US can drag Australia into a war where many Australians could get killed. Without Australian interests being at risk at all... It has already happened. In Vietnam. And it could happen again. But this time against a very powerful China... Are you willing to take that risk?...
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