China - US Trade War

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Re: China - US Trade War

Post by Jim the Moron » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:44 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:44 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:36 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:46 am
Well put Sertorio. But the trade war is not meant to fix America's economic problems but to give Trump supporters the cheap thrill of knowing that the USA is still hairy-chested strong enough to push other countries around - unlike during the "weak" Obama administration.
My theory is different. I think the real purpose of the trade war is to get factories to move out of China into other countries.
In other words, a pure act of aggression. The purpose is not a gain for the US, but a loss for China. A good recipe for disaster...

"Aggression?" In what sense? Seems logical that nations must look after the best interests of their citizens, doesn't it?

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Re: playing with fire!

Post by Sertorio » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:50 am

neverfail wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:18 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:14 pm
You are being naive...
...and you cynical!
Neverfail,
Maybe you will find the following analysis interesting:

http://thesaker.is/new-world-order-in-m ... than-ever/

Disaster, an oligarchy made disaster, is around the corner. We better realize it and start understanding why it will happen.

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Re: China - US Trade War

Post by Sertorio » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:52 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:44 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:44 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:36 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:46 am
Well put Sertorio. But the trade war is not meant to fix America's economic problems but to give Trump supporters the cheap thrill of knowing that the USA is still hairy-chested strong enough to push other countries around - unlike during the "weak" Obama administration.
My theory is different. I think the real purpose of the trade war is to get factories to move out of China into other countries.
In other words, a pure act of aggression. The purpose is not a gain for the US, but a loss for China. A good recipe for disaster...

"Aggression?" In what sense? Seems logical that nations must look after the best interests of their citizens, doesn't it?
It would be looking after "the best interests of their citizens" if those factories were moving from China back to the US. But they are moving to Vietnam or Indonesia. So, where is the gain for the US citizens?

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Re: China - US Trade War

Post by Jim the Moron » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:01 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:52 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:44 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:44 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:36 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:46 am
Well put Sertorio. But the trade war is not meant to fix America's economic problems but to give Trump supporters the cheap thrill of knowing that the USA is still hairy-chested strong enough to push other countries around - unlike during the "weak" Obama administration.
My theory is different. I think the real purpose of the trade war is to get factories to move out of China into other countries.
In other words, a pure act of aggression. The purpose is not a gain for the US, but a loss for China. A good recipe for disaster...

"Aggression?" In what sense? Seems logical that nations must look after the best interests of their citizens, doesn't it?
It would be looking after "the best interests of their citizens" if those factories were moving from China back to the US. But they are moving to Vietnam or Indonesia. So, where is the gain for the US citizens?
Perhaps US citizens might gain from reduced costs of products from Vietnam and Indonesia rather than from the PRC.

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Re: China - US Trade War

Post by Sertorio » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:10 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:01 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:52 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:44 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:44 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:36 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:46 am
Well put Sertorio. But the trade war is not meant to fix America's economic problems but to give Trump supporters the cheap thrill of knowing that the USA is still hairy-chested strong enough to push other countries around - unlike during the "weak" Obama administration.
My theory is different. I think the real purpose of the trade war is to get factories to move out of China into other countries.
In other words, a pure act of aggression. The purpose is not a gain for the US, but a loss for China. A good recipe for disaster...

"Aggression?" In what sense? Seems logical that nations must look after the best interests of their citizens, doesn't it?
It would be looking after "the best interests of their citizens" if those factories were moving from China back to the US. But they are moving to Vietnam or Indonesia. So, where is the gain for the US citizens?
Perhaps US citizens might gain from reduced costs of products from Vietnam and Indonesia rather than from the PRC.
Trump has given up trying to MAGA, an impossible task. All he wants now is making China and Russia a little bit smaller... He is going to fail, of course...

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Re: China - US Trade War

Post by cassowary » Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:44 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:44 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:36 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:46 am
Well put Sertorio. But the trade war is not meant to fix America's economic problems but to give Trump supporters the cheap thrill of knowing that the USA is still hairy-chested strong enough to push other countries around - unlike during the "weak" Obama administration.
My theory is different. I think the real purpose of the trade war is to get factories to move out of China into other countries.
In other words, a pure act of aggression. The purpose is not a gain for the US, but a loss for China. A good recipe for disaster...
Its just my theory. If I am right, I hope Trump succeeds. China is a threat to SE Asia because Xi wants to reduce us to vassalage, as SE Asia was centuries ago. Remember, this is the government which persecutes Christians, Muslims, Falungongs and harvest their organs.

I don't want to be a vassal of such a barbaric government. Only the US stands in its way of regional domination. The best way to deal with China is by weakening its economy. So this is where Trump's trade war is doing.

Already, Foxconn is moving a few of its Iphone factories to India from China.
It now operates two assembly plants, with plans to expand those and open two more. India has become an important manufacturing base as the Taipei-based company looks to diversify its operations beyond China

Succeeding in India has become all the more urgent since U.S. President Donald Trump launched a trade war last year and announced tariffs on thousands of products manufactured in China, including the gadgetry Foxconn makes for Apple Inc., Amazon.com Inc. and others.
Side note: Just as Hitler murdered Jews to get their gold teeth, Xi is murdering Falungong people to get their organs. Both Xi and Hitler claim to be Socialists.
The Imp :D

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Re: China - US Trade War

Post by cassowary » Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:49 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:01 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:52 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:44 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:44 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:36 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:46 am
Well put Sertorio. But the trade war is not meant to fix America's economic problems but to give Trump supporters the cheap thrill of knowing that the USA is still hairy-chested strong enough to push other countries around - unlike during the "weak" Obama administration.
My theory is different. I think the real purpose of the trade war is to get factories to move out of China into other countries.
In other words, a pure act of aggression. The purpose is not a gain for the US, but a loss for China. A good recipe for disaster...

"Aggression?" In what sense? Seems logical that nations must look after the best interests of their citizens, doesn't it?
It would be looking after "the best interests of their citizens" if those factories were moving from China back to the US. But they are moving to Vietnam or Indonesia. So, where is the gain for the US citizens?
Perhaps US citizens might gain from reduced costs of products from Vietnam and Indonesia rather than from the PRC.
Notice that inflation is low in the US. That's because factories are shifting to even lower cost countries. The US will soon see larger trade deficits from Thailand, Vietnam etc which will offset reduction in trade deficit with China. But other countries don't threaten to gobble up 90% of S China Sea, which will have the effect of making us vassals. So who cares?
The Imp :D

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Re: China - US Trade War

Post by cassowary » Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:56 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:52 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:44 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:44 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:36 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:46 am
Well put Sertorio. But the trade war is not meant to fix America's economic problems but to give Trump supporters the cheap thrill of knowing that the USA is still hairy-chested strong enough to push other countries around - unlike during the "weak" Obama administration.
My theory is different. I think the real purpose of the trade war is to get factories to move out of China into other countries.
In other words, a pure act of aggression. The purpose is not a gain for the US, but a loss for China. A good recipe for disaster...

"Aggression?" In what sense? Seems logical that nations must look after the best interests of their citizens, doesn't it?
It would be looking after "the best interests of their citizens" if those factories were moving from China back to the US. But they are moving to Vietnam or Indonesia. So, where is the gain for the US citizens?
The gain is to make China poorer because the Chinese are using their wealth earned through their exports to build up their military and take over the S China Sea. This is against US interests.
The Imp :D

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Re: China - US Trade War

Post by Sertorio » Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:12 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:56 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:52 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:44 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:44 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:36 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:46 am
Well put Sertorio. But the trade war is not meant to fix America's economic problems but to give Trump supporters the cheap thrill of knowing that the USA is still hairy-chested strong enough to push other countries around - unlike during the "weak" Obama administration.
My theory is different. I think the real purpose of the trade war is to get factories to move out of China into other countries.
In other words, a pure act of aggression. The purpose is not a gain for the US, but a loss for China. A good recipe for disaster...

"Aggression?" In what sense? Seems logical that nations must look after the best interests of their citizens, doesn't it?
It would be looking after "the best interests of their citizens" if those factories were moving from China back to the US. But they are moving to Vietnam or Indonesia. So, where is the gain for the US citizens?
The gain is to make China poorer because the Chinese are using their wealth earned through their exports to build up their military and take over the S China Sea. This is against US interests.
Cass,
You are a weird sort of Chinese!... Fighting your own people on account of a momentary ideology... :shock:

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Re: China - US Trade War

Post by cassowary » Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:22 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:12 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:56 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:52 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:44 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:44 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:36 am


My theory is different. I think the real purpose of the trade war is to get factories to move out of China into other countries.
In other words, a pure act of aggression. The purpose is not a gain for the US, but a loss for China. A good recipe for disaster...

"Aggression?" In what sense? Seems logical that nations must look after the best interests of their citizens, doesn't it?
It would be looking after "the best interests of their citizens" if those factories were moving from China back to the US. But they are moving to Vietnam or Indonesia. So, where is the gain for the US citizens?
The gain is to make China poorer because the Chinese are using their wealth earned through their exports to build up their military and take over the S China Sea. This is against US interests.
Cass,
You are a weird sort of Chinese!... Fighting your own people on account of a momentary ideology... :shock:
I may be ethnic Chinese, but I am Singaporean. My country is Singapore and not China. For Singapore to thrive, we need freedom of navigation through the South China Sea. China claims 90% of that sea. If they deny permission for ships from Singapore to use that sea, then our port cannot function. That means we got to do their bidding. We become vassals.

The only thing that stops them from taking over the sea is the US. Fortunately for us, they too see it as in their strategic interest that the S China Sea remains as international waters.

And one more thing. They are not my people. My people are my fellow Singaporeans, no matter what race or religion.
The Imp :D

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