"Nazis were not socialists so we have never tried true Nationalist Socialism"

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Re: "Nazis were not socialists so we have never tried true Nationalist Socialism"

Post by Doc » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:39 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:54 pm

In your country you do not need to be a Muslim refugee to be a mass murderer:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-28/ ... ts/5177140

Sandy Hook massacre: Harrowing details of Newtown school killings revealed
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First that is home grown and not from refugees
What's the difference? Murder is still murder.
We don't go out looking to import it. At least not from the ME.
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Re: it was a policy bungle Doc.

Post by Jim the Moron » Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:55 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:11 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:32 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:59 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:47 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:12 pm

In Europe we need time to become ruthless. But eventually we will get there... :twisted:
Europeans have a long past history of being ruthless. Modern Europe's apparent inability to act resolutely represents an immense recoil against the horrible excesses of the past.
Europeans easily accept diversity, but I doubt we will allow that diversity to turn against our own culture and traditions. People who reject our society will eventually be expelled. I have no doubt that such deportations will be supported by the vast majority of Europeans. On the other hand, those immigrants who truly want to become part of the European society should be welcome and treated fairly.
If Herr Spengler was to comment here, he would argue that much of European culture is doomed. He would especially cite Germany and the UK. For all civilized folks who value European culture, we hope you are correct and Spengler wrong.
Spengler is resentful of Europe because of the Europeans' passivity in respect of the holocaust. I can understand that, but the holocaust is no more representative of Europe than the Inquisition was. We must have the humility to understand that those horrendous manifestations of violence are part of our heritage, but they do not represent us, as a whole. And that's why we try to handle the immigration issue in a more humane manner, but I am afraid that is not realistic. Sooner or later we will have to expel those who want to destroy us.
Spengler is also resentful of the insidious takeover of European societies by Islam. Yes, "expel those who want to destroy us."

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Re: it was a policy bungle Doc.

Post by Doc » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:39 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:59 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:47 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:12 pm

In Europe we need time to become ruthless. But eventually we will get there... :twisted:
Europeans have a long past history of being ruthless. Modern Europe's apparent inability to act resolutely represents an immense recoil against the horrible excesses of the past.
Europeans easily accept diversity, but I doubt we will allow that diversity to turn against our own culture and traditions. People who reject our society will eventually be expelled. I have no doubt that such deportations will be supported by the vast majority of Europeans. On the other hand, those immigrants who truly want to become part of the European society should be welcome and treated fairly.
That is patently false. Third generation French of Moroccan descent were still not accepted as being "French". Which resulted in riots that left Paris Police with a higher causality rates than was found in Baghdad among US Troops at the very same time. It didn't matter how "French" the Moroccans were they were still not considered "French" by the French. In the US children of immigrants largely rejected the culture of their parents. And still do. They wanted to Americans not just live in America.

It seems like that was true of French Moroccans until they gave up trying.
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Re: "Nazis were not socialists so we have never tried true Nationalist Socialism"

Post by neverfail » Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:57 pm

Doc wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:39 am
We don't go out looking to import it. At least not from the ME.
Neither do the Europeans doc.

I cannot believe that you could be unaware that the ME countries from which these are fleeing are war torn places from which exodus is often a matter of life and death. The only reason they flee to Europe instead of North America is for reasons of geographic accessibility.

The same reason why Europe has not seen the influx of Latinos from Central America that the US has.

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Re: it was a policy bungle Doc.

Post by neverfail » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:08 pm

Doc wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:39 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:59 am


Europeans easily accept diversity, but I doubt we will allow that diversity to turn against our own culture and traditions. People who reject our society will eventually be expelled. I have no doubt that such deportations will be supported by the vast majority of Europeans. On the other hand, those immigrants who truly want to become part of the European society should be welcome and treated fairly.
That is patently false. Third generation French of Moroccan descent were still not accepted as being "French". Which resulted in riots that left Paris Police with a higher causality rates than was found in Baghdad among US Troops at the very same time. It didn't matter how "French" the Moroccans were they were still not considered "French" by the French. In the US children of immigrants largely rejected the culture of their parents. And still do. They wanted to Americans not just live in America.

It seems like that was true of French Moroccans until they gave up trying.
:lol: There seems to be a lot of truth in that Sertorio. The United States seems to organically adjust to each and every new wave of immigrants of any size and significance with the consequence that Americans have ended up with a multiple hybrid culture. But in Europe you have the weight of long tradition; national identities steeped in dreams of past glories to defend. It seems that "Europeans accept diversity" only until it reaches the point that it challenges them to change - then the backlash sets in.

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Re: "Nazis were not socialists so we have never tried true Nationalist Socialism"

Post by Doc » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:15 pm

neverfail wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:57 pm
Doc wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:39 am
We don't go out looking to import it. At least not from the ME.
Neither do the Europeans doc.

I cannot believe that you could be unaware that the ME countries from which these are fleeing are war torn places from which exodus is often a matter of life and death. The only reason they flee to Europe instead of North America is for reasons of geographic accessibility.

The same reason why Europe has not seen the influx of Latinos from Central America that the US has.
Yet immigrants are coming from all over the ME even where there are no on going wars.
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Re: it was a policy bungle Doc.

Post by Doc » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:18 pm

neverfail wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:08 pm
Doc wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:39 am
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:59 am


Europeans easily accept diversity, but I doubt we will allow that diversity to turn against our own culture and traditions. People who reject our society will eventually be expelled. I have no doubt that such deportations will be supported by the vast majority of Europeans. On the other hand, those immigrants who truly want to become part of the European society should be welcome and treated fairly.
That is patently false. Third generation French of Moroccan descent were still not accepted as being "French". Which resulted in riots that left Paris Police with a higher causality rates than was found in Baghdad among US Troops at the very same time. It didn't matter how "French" the Moroccans were they were still not considered "French" by the French. In the US children of immigrants largely rejected the culture of their parents. And still do. They wanted to Americans not just live in America.

It seems like that was true of French Moroccans until they gave up trying.
:lol: There seems to be a lot of truth in that Sertorio. The United States seems to organically adjust to each and every new wave of immigrants of any size and significance with the consequence that Americans have ended up with a multiple hybrid culture. But in Europe you have the weight of long tradition; national identities steeped in dreams of past glories to defend. It seems that "Europeans accept diversity" only until it reaches the point that it challenges them to change - then the backlash sets in.
Ever heard of a book titled "The Great Melting Pot"?
Melting pot
The melting pot is a monocultural metaphor for a society becoming more, the different elements "melting together" into a harmonious whole with a common culture or vice versa, for a homogeneous society becoming more through the influx of foreign elements with different cultural background with a potential creation of disharmony with the previous culture.Wikipedia
In the past in the US there was a great deal of pressure for immigrants to assimilate. In many cases there was also a great deal of motivation without the pressure to assimilate, as that was how people could get ahead. Because where they were from was a good place to be **FROM**

Now with the communications revolution and the ease of travel people are more here and there at the same time. The US used to have single citizenship If you were a US citizen you could not be a citizen of another country. PERIOD. The US was about the only country in the world that had soul citizenship. Personally I think that was a good thing that all countries should copy.

As for the current push for open borders Those pushing for it either do not understand or do not care about the people and especially the children coming to the US through Mexico.
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Re: "Nazis were not socialists so we have never tried true Nationalist Socialism"

Post by Doc » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:31 am

Reza Aslan says he wants to "eradicate" all Trump supporters in a tweet. Clearly calling for the murder of millions of people is a violation of Twitter's terms of service along with it being a call for genocide. But Twitter does nothing about it after 24 hours. Sounds like an endorsement to me.


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Re: "Nazis were not socialists so we have never tried true Nationalist Socialism"

Post by Doc » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:16 am

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Reza Aslan says he wants to "eradicate" all Trump supporters in a tweet. Clearly calling for the murder of millions of people is a violation of Twitter's terms of service along with it being a call for genocide. But Twitter does nothing about it after 24 hours. Sounds like an endorsement to me.


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Re: "Nazis were not socialists so we have never tried true Nationalist Socialism"

Post by Doc » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:38 pm

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Patchogue Fliers Read 'Death Camps For Trump Supporters'
Fliers hung on street posts and parking meters in Patchogue read "Death Camps For Trump Supporters Now!"
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