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Re: it was a policy bungle Doc.

Post by Sertorio » Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:23 am

neverfail wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:00 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:28 am
neverfail wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:41 pm
Doc wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:50 pm
Then explain how it is in the national interests of the various EU countries to accept unlimited immigration from the ME.
It is not in their interests and they are currently struggling to put their foot down on it!

Your mistake is to presume sinister machinations where more plausibly governments have simply been overwhelmed by the swiftly changing course of events.
Merkel actively encouraged the immigration.
...and was no doubt sorry afterwards having not foreseen the sheer magnitude and scale of the influx: especially when the (also unforeseen by her) backlash against the influx set in among her fellow Germans. But just because Frau Merkel combined a possibly myopic altruism towards those seeking refuge in her country with a lack of omniscience in being able to foresee the consequences of it does not make her guilty of any conspiracy against the best interests of the German people.
Many Europeans try to live up to their principles when dealing with other peoples, but they forget that far too many immigrants and refugees do not share those principles, and they end up disappointing their hosts. Historically Europe has had quite a few traumatic experiences which have led many Europeans to try and be more tolerant of other people's ways of life. But that's a hopeless task. You can't be tolerant with intolerant people. You must keep them at arm's length until they become more civilized. Which doesn't mean you should not keep trying to help them reach that level of civilization a bit quicker. A more developed economy, more prosperity and mostly more education, will make those peoples less aggressive. Until then we have no alternative to protecting ourselves from all sorts of savagery. And welcome that minority of immigrants who truly want to integrate.

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Re: it was a policy bungle Doc.

Post by Jim the Moron » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:07 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:23 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:00 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:28 am
neverfail wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:41 pm
Doc wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:50 pm
Then explain how it is in the national interests of the various EU countries to accept unlimited immigration from the ME.
It is not in their interests and they are currently struggling to put their foot down on it!

Your mistake is to presume sinister machinations where more plausibly governments have simply been overwhelmed by the swiftly changing course of events.
Merkel actively encouraged the immigration.
...and was no doubt sorry afterwards having not foreseen the sheer magnitude and scale of the influx: especially when the (also unforeseen by her) backlash against the influx set in among her fellow Germans. But just because Frau Merkel combined a possibly myopic altruism towards those seeking refuge in her country with a lack of omniscience in being able to foresee the consequences of it does not make her guilty of any conspiracy against the best interests of the German people.
Many Europeans try to live up to their principles when dealing with other peoples, but they forget that far too many immigrants and refugees do not share those principles, and they end up disappointing their hosts. Historically Europe has had quite a few traumatic experiences which have led many Europeans to try and be more tolerant of other people's ways of life. But that's a hopeless task. You can't be tolerant with intolerant people. You must keep them at arm's length until they become more civilized. Which doesn't mean you should not keep trying to help them reach that level of civilization a bit quicker. A more developed economy, more prosperity and mostly more education, will make those peoples less aggressive. Until then we have no alternative to protecting ourselves from all sorts of savagery. And welcome that minority of immigrants who truly want to integrate.
"You can't be tolerant with intolerant people."

Sertorio is correct on all counts.

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Re: it was a policy bungle Doc.

Post by Doc » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:17 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:07 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:23 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:00 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:28 am
neverfail wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:41 pm
Doc wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:50 pm
Then explain how it is in the national interests of the various EU countries to accept unlimited immigration from the ME.
It is not in their interests and they are currently struggling to put their foot down on it!

Your mistake is to presume sinister machinations where more plausibly governments have simply been overwhelmed by the swiftly changing course of events.
Merkel actively encouraged the immigration.
...and was no doubt sorry afterwards having not foreseen the sheer magnitude and scale of the influx: especially when the (also unforeseen by her) backlash against the influx set in among her fellow Germans. But just because Frau Merkel combined a possibly myopic altruism towards those seeking refuge in her country with a lack of omniscience in being able to foresee the consequences of it does not make her guilty of any conspiracy against the best interests of the German people.
Many Europeans try to live up to their principles when dealing with other peoples, but they forget that far too many immigrants and refugees do not share those principles, and they end up disappointing their hosts. Historically Europe has had quite a few traumatic experiences which have led many Europeans to try and be more tolerant of other people's ways of life. But that's a hopeless task. You can't be tolerant with intolerant people. You must keep them at arm's length until they become more civilized. Which doesn't mean you should not keep trying to help them reach that level of civilization a bit quicker. A more developed economy, more prosperity and mostly more education, will make those peoples less aggressive. Until then we have no alternative to protecting ourselves from all sorts of savagery. And welcome that minority of immigrants who truly want to integrate.
"You can't be tolerant with intolerant people."

Sertorio is correct on all counts.
It was intentional. No one is that stupid. It should have been clear that large portions of the immigrants did not want to become Europeans but just wanted to be in Europe. That was clear as day to me right from the start. IE it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
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Re: it was a policy bungle Doc.

Post by Milo » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:11 am

Doc wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:17 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:07 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:23 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:00 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:28 am
neverfail wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:41 pm


It is not in their interests and they are currently struggling to put their foot down on it!

Your mistake is to presume sinister machinations where more plausibly governments have simply been overwhelmed by the swiftly changing course of events.
Merkel actively encouraged the immigration.
...and was no doubt sorry afterwards having not foreseen the sheer magnitude and scale of the influx: especially when the (also unforeseen by her) backlash against the influx set in among her fellow Germans. But just because Frau Merkel combined a possibly myopic altruism towards those seeking refuge in her country with a lack of omniscience in being able to foresee the consequences of it does not make her guilty of any conspiracy against the best interests of the German people.
Many Europeans try to live up to their principles when dealing with other peoples, but they forget that far too many immigrants and refugees do not share those principles, and they end up disappointing their hosts. Historically Europe has had quite a few traumatic experiences which have led many Europeans to try and be more tolerant of other people's ways of life. But that's a hopeless task. You can't be tolerant with intolerant people. You must keep them at arm's length until they become more civilized. Which doesn't mean you should not keep trying to help them reach that level of civilization a bit quicker. A more developed economy, more prosperity and mostly more education, will make those peoples less aggressive. Until then we have no alternative to protecting ourselves from all sorts of savagery. And welcome that minority of immigrants who truly want to integrate.
"You can't be tolerant with intolerant people."

Sertorio is correct on all counts.
It was intentional. No one is that stupid. It should have been clear that large portions of the immigrants did not want to become Europeans but just wanted to be in Europe. That was clear as day to me right from the start. IE it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
I think you overestimate just how much of a bubble these people live in Doc.

Also, remember the adage about not ascribing malice when stupidity will do.

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Re: it was a policy bungle Doc.

Post by Jim the Moron » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:29 am

Milo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:11 am
Doc wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:17 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:07 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:23 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:00 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:28 am


Merkel actively encouraged the immigration.
...and was no doubt sorry afterwards having not foreseen the sheer magnitude and scale of the influx: especially when the (also unforeseen by her) backlash against the influx set in among her fellow Germans. But just because Frau Merkel combined a possibly myopic altruism towards those seeking refuge in her country with a lack of omniscience in being able to foresee the consequences of it does not make her guilty of any conspiracy against the best interests of the German people.
Many Europeans try to live up to their principles when dealing with other peoples, but they forget that far too many immigrants and refugees do not share those principles, and they end up disappointing their hosts. Historically Europe has had quite a few traumatic experiences which have led many Europeans to try and be more tolerant of other people's ways of life. But that's a hopeless task. You can't be tolerant with intolerant people. You must keep them at arm's length until they become more civilized. Which doesn't mean you should not keep trying to help them reach that level of civilization a bit quicker. A more developed economy, more prosperity and mostly more education, will make those peoples less aggressive. Until then we have no alternative to protecting ourselves from all sorts of savagery. And welcome that minority of immigrants who truly want to integrate.
"You can't be tolerant with intolerant people."

Sertorio is correct on all counts.
It was intentional. No one is that stupid. It should have been clear that large portions of the immigrants did not want to become Europeans but just wanted to be in Europe. That was clear as day to me right from the start. IE it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
I think you overestimate just how much of a bubble these people live in Doc.

Also, remember the adage about not ascribing malice when stupidity will do.
"No one is that stupid." Oh yah? Europeans buckled under the the invasion of barbaric Muslims.

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Re: it was a policy bungle Doc.

Post by Doc » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:35 am

Milo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:11 am
Doc wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:17 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:07 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:23 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:00 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:28 am


Merkel actively encouraged the immigration.
...and was no doubt sorry afterwards having not foreseen the sheer magnitude and scale of the influx: especially when the (also unforeseen by her) backlash against the influx set in among her fellow Germans. But just because Frau Merkel combined a possibly myopic altruism towards those seeking refuge in her country with a lack of omniscience in being able to foresee the consequences of it does not make her guilty of any conspiracy against the best interests of the German people.
Many Europeans try to live up to their principles when dealing with other peoples, but they forget that far too many immigrants and refugees do not share those principles, and they end up disappointing their hosts. Historically Europe has had quite a few traumatic experiences which have led many Europeans to try and be more tolerant of other people's ways of life. But that's a hopeless task. You can't be tolerant with intolerant people. You must keep them at arm's length until they become more civilized. Which doesn't mean you should not keep trying to help them reach that level of civilization a bit quicker. A more developed economy, more prosperity and mostly more education, will make those peoples less aggressive. Until then we have no alternative to protecting ourselves from all sorts of savagery. And welcome that minority of immigrants who truly want to integrate.
"You can't be tolerant with intolerant people."

Sertorio is correct on all counts.
It was intentional. No one is that stupid. It should have been clear that large portions of the immigrants did not want to become Europeans but just wanted to be in Europe. That was clear as day to me right from the start. IE it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
I think you overestimate just how much of a bubble these people live in Doc.

Also, remember the adage about not ascribing malice when stupidity will do.
I am talking about the leadership. The same Globalist leadership that wants to dominate the world. They are not that stupid.
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Re: "Nazis were not socialists so we have never tried true Nationalist Socialism"

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:06 pm

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If socialism is essentially tribal collectivism, or the group dynamic over the individual, what's the difference between having the group dynamic derived from differences in class or differences derived from genetic or racial identity???........
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Re: it was a policy bungle Doc.

Post by Sertorio » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:12 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:29 am
Milo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:11 am
Doc wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:17 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:07 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:23 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:00 pm


...and was no doubt sorry afterwards having not foreseen the sheer magnitude and scale of the influx: especially when the (also unforeseen by her) backlash against the influx set in among her fellow Germans. But just because Frau Merkel combined a possibly myopic altruism towards those seeking refuge in her country with a lack of omniscience in being able to foresee the consequences of it does not make her guilty of any conspiracy against the best interests of the German people.
Many Europeans try to live up to their principles when dealing with other peoples, but they forget that far too many immigrants and refugees do not share those principles, and they end up disappointing their hosts. Historically Europe has had quite a few traumatic experiences which have led many Europeans to try and be more tolerant of other people's ways of life. But that's a hopeless task. You can't be tolerant with intolerant people. You must keep them at arm's length until they become more civilized. Which doesn't mean you should not keep trying to help them reach that level of civilization a bit quicker. A more developed economy, more prosperity and mostly more education, will make those peoples less aggressive. Until then we have no alternative to protecting ourselves from all sorts of savagery. And welcome that minority of immigrants who truly want to integrate.
"You can't be tolerant with intolerant people."

Sertorio is correct on all counts.
It was intentional. No one is that stupid. It should have been clear that large portions of the immigrants did not want to become Europeans but just wanted to be in Europe. That was clear as day to me right from the start. IE it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
I think you overestimate just how much of a bubble these people live in Doc.

Also, remember the adage about not ascribing malice when stupidity will do.
"No one is that stupid." Oh yah? Europeans buckled under the the invasion of barbaric Muslims.
In Europe we need time to become ruthless. But eventually we will get there... :twisted:

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Re: it was a policy bungle Doc.

Post by Doc » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:44 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:12 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:29 am
Milo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:11 am
Doc wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:17 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:07 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:23 am


Many Europeans try to live up to their principles when dealing with other peoples, but they forget that far too many immigrants and refugees do not share those principles, and they end up disappointing their hosts. Historically Europe has had quite a few traumatic experiences which have led many Europeans to try and be more tolerant of other people's ways of life. But that's a hopeless task. You can't be tolerant with intolerant people. You must keep them at arm's length until they become more civilized. Which doesn't mean you should not keep trying to help them reach that level of civilization a bit quicker. A more developed economy, more prosperity and mostly more education, will make those peoples less aggressive. Until then we have no alternative to protecting ourselves from all sorts of savagery. And welcome that minority of immigrants who truly want to integrate.
"You can't be tolerant with intolerant people."

Sertorio is correct on all counts.
It was intentional. No one is that stupid. It should have been clear that large portions of the immigrants did not want to become Europeans but just wanted to be in Europe. That was clear as day to me right from the start. IE it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
I think you overestimate just how much of a bubble these people live in Doc.

Also, remember the adage about not ascribing malice when stupidity will do.
"No one is that stupid." Oh yah? Europeans buckled under the the invasion of barbaric Muslims.
In Europe we need time to become ruthless. But eventually we will get there... :twisted:
Maybe they can bring in more Syrian immigrants to be ruthless for them

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/0 ... -daylight/

German City Rocked After Kazakh Man Hacked to Death by Syrian Migrant in Broad Daylight
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Re: "Nazis were not socialists so we have never tried true Nationalist Socialism"

Post by neverfail » Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:44 pm

You conspiracy theorist fools overlook the fact that as a rule the refugees usually wanted to leave their home countries even less that Europe wanted to accept them. If you yourselves lived in a life threatening situation in the midst of civil war, would you not want to flee to somewhere more peaceful?

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