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Re: The Ultimate Insult - Hongkee protestors waved British flag

Post by Sertorio » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:27 am

neverfail wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:19 pm

So, the Honkers ;) are now finally telling the World that there is a positive side to having been subjected to over a century of British colonial rule in the form of a legacy of respect for civil rights and freedoms protected by rule of law.

You do not truly value something until you have lost it (or at least threatened with the loss) , do you?
Hong Kong institutions, under British rule, were anything but democratic:
(...) The Governor was the head of government and appointed by the British monarch to serve as the representative of the Crown in the colony. Executive power was highly concentrated with the Governor, who himself appointed almost all members of the Legislative Council and Executive Council and also served as President of both chambers. The British government provided oversight for the colonial government; the Foreign Secretary formally approved any additions to the Legislative and Executive Councils and the Sovereign held sole authority to amend the Letters Patent and Royal Instructions.

The Executive Council determined administrative policy changes and considered primary legislation before passing it to the Legislative Council for approval. This advisory body also itself issued secondary legislation under a limited set of colonial ordinances. The Legislative Council debated proposed legislation and was responsible for the appropriation of public funds.(...)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hong_Kong
Only in the last three years before transfer of power to China were some vaguely democratic changes introduced in this system. I doubt the people of Hong Kong would like to go back to such undemocratic rule.

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Re: The Ultimate Insult - Hongkee protestors waved British flag

Post by Sertorio » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:34 am

cassowary wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:13 am

Leftist University professors see the west as the source of evil. They find it difficult to acknowledge this. It does not fit into the narrative they are indoctrinating their students.
"Leftist university professors" do not see the West as the source of evil. The capitalist system is the source of evil, but the West is, fortunately, a lot more than just the capitalist system. Karl Marx is also part of the West, and so is the Catholic Church and its social doctrine, namely Paul VI's encyclical letter Populorum Progressio...

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Re: The Ultimate Insult - Hongkee protestors waved British flag

Post by neverfail » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:39 am

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:27 am

Only in the last three years before transfer of power to China were some vaguely democratic changes introduced in this system. I doubt the people of Hong Kong would like to go back to such undemocratic rule.
Technically true, but so what! No, they may not want to go back to that but I suspect that even less do they look forward to a future of having to endure the PRC version of undemocratic rule.

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Re: The Ultimate Insult - Hongkee protestors waved British flag

Post by Sertorio » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:48 am

neverfail wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:39 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:27 am

Only in the last three years before transfer of power to China were some vaguely democratic changes introduced in this system. I doubt the people of Hong Kong would like to go back to such undemocratic rule.
Technically true, but so what! No, they may not want to go back to that but I suspect that even less do they look forward to a future of having to endure the PRC version of undemocratic rule.
Let's hope China is smart enough to allow Hong Kong to keep its present institutions beyond the 50 year time frame.

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Re: The Ultimate Insult - Hongkee protestors waved British flag

Post by Doc » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:05 am

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:48 am
neverfail wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:39 am
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:27 am

Only in the last three years before transfer of power to China were some vaguely democratic changes introduced in this system. I doubt the people of Hong Kong would like to go back to such undemocratic rule.
Technically true, but so what! No, they may not want to go back to that but I suspect that even less do they look forward to a future of having to endure the PRC version of undemocratic rule.
Let's hope China is smart enough to allow Hong Kong to keep its present institutions beyond the 50 year time frame.
Let's hope that the CCP is smart enough to get off everyone's back in China.
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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Re: The Ultimate Insult - Hongkee protestors waved British flag

Post by cassowary » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:26 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:34 am
The capitalist system is the source of evil, but the West is, fortunately, a lot more than just the capitalist system. ...
What a Marxist you are.

How can capitalism be the source of evil? It has alleviated so much poverty. The best examples are HK and Singapore. The British established these two places when the ideas of Adam Smith prevailed. These two territories has best preserved the spirit of capitalism long after it faded in Britain, Smith's birthplace. We are the best example of what capitalism can do.

The real source of evil is Socialism/Communism.

About 95 million died because of this ideology.













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Re: The Ultimate Insult - Hongkee protestors waved British flag

Post by Doc » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:39 pm

cassowary wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:26 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:34 am
The capitalist system is the source of evil, but the West is, fortunately, a lot more than just the capitalist system. ...
What a Marxist you are.

How can capitalism be the source of evil? It has alleviated so much poverty. The best examples are HK and Singapore. The British established these two places when the ideas of Adam Smith prevailed. These two territories has best preserved the spirit of capitalism long after it faded in Britain, Smith's birthplace. We are the best example of what capitalism can do.

The real source of evil is Socialism/Communism.

About 95 million died because of this ideology.


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More like a couple hundred million.
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Re: The Ultimate Insult - Hongkee protestors waved British flag

Post by neverfail » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:15 pm

cassowary wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:26 pm
How can capitalism be the source of evil?
The same way that anything of this Earth can be Cass. The devil is quite impartial as to the instruments he uses to undertake his dirty work.

As a growing boy undertaking studies at a Catholic Church school I gained the fake impression that the Catholic Church was a sort of no-go zone for Satan where all was angelic. Given that my school days were marred by bullying classmates and abusive clerical teachers I should have probably known better; that evil is quite capable of infiltrating its way into the Church (yea, even into my very school grounds) I was brought up to trust. But of course when you are young and trusting you are inclined to believe everything that the adult authority figures around you tell you as being absolutely true. Age, experience and the publicity of recent years about widespread abuse by pedophile priests has combined to radically re-educate me about the unassailable sanctity of mother Church. The great cosmic tempter and manipulator can work within the structure of the Catholic Church as comfortably as he can work anywhere outside of it - and I now believe that historically has done so again and again.

So Cass, after what that above harrowing life story of mine has revealed, can you comprehend why I routinely reject and challenge your impression that capitalism is inherently godly? I see it as being neither that nor inherently evil. It depends on what ends it is used for.

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Re: Make Hong Kong Great Again

Post by cassowary » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:15 am

Yes, you are right Neverfail. But despite the pedophile priests, I would say that your church is still a force for good in the world. The good it does overwhelms the evil it does. That's because it is basically a good organisation.

In the case of capitalism vs socialism, I will also say that despite its flaws, capitalism has done more good than harm. The reverse is true for socialism.
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Re: Make Hong Kong Great Again

Post by Milo » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:11 am

Hong Kong protests cripple airport for second day
Flight check-in has been suspended at Hong Kong International Airport for a second consecutive day because of anti-government protests.


I saw a protestor the other day saying (in a nutshell) that the protestors typically feel that they will be liquidated by the CCP as long the CCP has sway in HK, so they are motivated to do whatever it takes to secure responsible government.

The 'West' has played it smart by keeping this at arm's length, it makes the CCP's job of crushing this movement much less justifiable.

This movement has large numbers, which undoubtedly reflect much more tacit support.

The movement is playing it smart by targeting an economic chokepoint with their protests.

This airport strategy could move these protests into a position of great influence over HK.

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