In this case, you can't use your approach. That's because the US is a democracy. Kennedy and Johnson were the ones who escalated US involvement in Vietnam. They were elected.SteveFoerster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:08 amThis collectivist approach is one of the reasons that your analyses so often miss the mark. Motivations, goals, and actions ultimately only exist at the individual level. That's not splitting hairs, it's a fundamental: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/meth ... vidualism/cassowary wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:16 amWell, you are splitting hairs, by differentiating the policymakers (politicians - Kennedy and Johnson) from the people. I am talking about the US nation. A nation is a collective of many people. The US did not benefit from going to war in SE Asia but SE Asia (apart from Indo-China) was saved from Communism.SteveFoerster wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:48 amThere's nothing selfless about that! U.S. policymakers spent other people's blood and treasure in order to achieve that result for their own cronies in the military-industrial complex. It's not like they personally had to write cheques or enlist.
They had to take into account the wishes of the American people. Somewhere in the hearts of most Americans at that time, they were willing to make a sacrifice for what they perceived to be the good of the world - defeat Socialism/Communism.
... Kennedy Inaugural address 1961.Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
America is an idealistic nation. That is what is admirable about America. If a Singaporean politician made a speech like that, he will lose the next election. Nobody here wants to bear any burden and support any friend to achieve the success of liberty.
We rather make money and get rich. Isn't that how Trump thinks with his "America first"?
Also, I don't see how Kennedy would have benefited by creating a war so as to give business to the arms manufacturers. He was already rich.