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Re: Russian Propaganda, no More no Less

Post by SteveFoerster » Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:03 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:49 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:24 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:29 am
What would be a convincing demonstration for you? A Russian Avangard missile sinking an American aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf?...
Yes, that would do it.
So, until that happens you think that the US may continue its reckless policies around the world, is that it? You do like living dangerously...
Do I think they should? No. Do I think they will? Yeah, probably.
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Re: Russian Propaganda, no More no Less

Post by cassowary » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:25 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:49 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:24 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:29 am
What would be a convincing demonstration for you? A Russian Avangard missile sinking an American aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf?...
Yes, that would do it.
So, until that happens you think that the US may continue its reckless policies around the world, is that it? You do like living dangerously...
Reckless? Selfless, more like it. In the past 70 years or so, the US protected the world against assorted bad guys - Western Europe from the Socialist dictatorship of the USSR, South Korea from the Socialist dictatorship of North Korea, Taiwan from the Socialist dictatorship of China, Israel from the medieval lslamofascists like Hizbollah.

I guess you can’t see that since you are a socialist yourself and so are sympathetic to their cause.

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Re: Russian Propaganda, no More no Less

Post by neverfail » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:05 pm

Selfless ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Russian Propaganda, no More no Less

Post by cassowary » Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:16 pm

neverfail wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:05 pm
Selfless ? :lol: :lol: :lol:
For example they spent blood and treasure in Vietnam to prevent the spread of Socialism into SE Asia.

The US was never in danger but SE Asia was. They could have simply let SE Asia fall.

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Re: Russian Propaganda, no More no Less

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:48 am

cassowary wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:16 pm
neverfail wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:05 pm
Selfless ? :lol: :lol: :lol:
For example they spent blood and treasure in Vietnam to prevent the spread of Socialism into SE Asia.

The US was never in danger but SE Asia was. They could have simply let SE Asia fall.
There's nothing selfless about that! U.S. policymakers spent other people's blood and treasure in order to achieve that result for their own cronies in the military-industrial complex. It's not like they personally had to write cheques or enlist.
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Re: Russian Propaganda, no More no Less

Post by cassowary » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:16 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:48 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:16 pm
neverfail wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:05 pm
Selfless ? :lol: :lol: :lol:
For example they spent blood and treasure in Vietnam to prevent the spread of Socialism into SE Asia.

The US was never in danger but SE Asia was. They could have simply let SE Asia fall.
There's nothing selfless about that! U.S. policymakers spent other people's blood and treasure in order to achieve that result for their own cronies in the military-industrial complex. It's not like they personally had to write cheques or enlist.
Well, you are splitting hairs, by differentiating the policymakers (politicians - Kennedy and Johnson) from the people. I am talking about the US nation. A nation is a collective of many people. The US did not benefit from going to war in SE Asia but SE Asia (apart from Indo-China) was saved from Communism.

Kennedy and Johnson could not have done that if the people had been selfish. There is something admirable in the American spirit that they want to make this a better world and are prepared to make some sacrifices.

It is this spirit that allowed Kennedy and Johnson to escalate their involvement in Vietnam. This is what I and many others admire about the US.

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Re: Russian Propaganda, no More no Less

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:41 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:16 am
The US did not benefit from going to war in SE Asia but SE Asia (apart from Indo-China) was saved from Communism.
I suppose that you would have loved China being also "saved" from Communism, in the American way. But are you sure that a "saved" China would have achieved as much, in as little time, as Communist China has done? If you compare China with India - which had a significant head start over China - you must recognize that communist China achieved a lot more than non-communist India.

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Re: Russian Propaganda, no More no Less

Post by neverfail » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:54 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:41 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:16 am
The US did not benefit from going to war in SE Asia but SE Asia (apart from Indo-China) was saved from Communism.
I suppose that you would have loved China being also "saved" from Communism, in the American way. But are you sure that a "saved" China would have achieved as much, in as little time, as Communist China has done? If you compare China with India - which had a significant head start over China - you must recognize that communist China achieved a lot more than non-communist India.
:o Your turn to reply, Cassowary!

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Re: Russian Propaganda: why is Trump spouting it?

Post by neverfail » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:58 am

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... an/579361/

Afghanistan made it Russia, because they went bankrupt fighting in Afghanistan. Russia … the reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there. The problem is, it was a tough fight. And literally they went bankrupt; they went into being called Russia again, as opposed to the Soviet Union. You know, a lot of these places you’re reading about now are no longer part of Russia, because of Afghanistan.

Trump's own words - a rewrite of history.

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Re: Russian Propaganda, no More no Less

Post by SteveFoerster » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:08 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:16 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:48 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:16 pm
neverfail wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:05 pm
Selfless ? :lol: :lol: :lol:
For example they spent blood and treasure in Vietnam to prevent the spread of Socialism into SE Asia.

The US was never in danger but SE Asia was. They could have simply let SE Asia fall.
There's nothing selfless about that! U.S. policymakers spent other people's blood and treasure in order to achieve that result for their own cronies in the military-industrial complex. It's not like they personally had to write cheques or enlist.
Well, you are splitting hairs, by differentiating the policymakers (politicians - Kennedy and Johnson) from the people. I am talking about the US nation. A nation is a collective of many people. The US did not benefit from going to war in SE Asia but SE Asia (apart from Indo-China) was saved from Communism.
This collectivist approach is one of the reasons that your analyses so often miss the mark. Motivations, goals, and actions ultimately only exist at the individual level. That's not splitting hairs, it's a fundamental: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/meth ... vidualism/
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