The Trump's incriminating collusion with Russia megathread.

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Re: The Trump's incriminating collusion with Russia megathread.

Post by Mr. Perfect » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:13 am

Milo wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:19 pm
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:17 pm
Yeah. Me too.

The investigation appears to be illegal.
No it does not, see above.
No, it does appear to be illegal because of the use of a special prosecutor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_p ... estigation

A Special Prosecutor is only used to investigate specific potential crimes, "The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted". So far no one can identify what possible laws have been broken. What crime is being investigated?

The investigation appears to be illegal.

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Re: The Trump's incriminating collusion with Russia megathread.

Post by Milo » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:34 am

Mr. Perfect wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:13 am
Milo wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:19 pm
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:17 pm
Yeah. Me too.

The investigation appears to be illegal.
No it does not, see above.
No, it does appear to be illegal because of the use of a special prosecutor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_p ... estigation

A Special Prosecutor is only used to investigate specific potential crimes, "The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted". So far no one can identify what possible laws have been broken. What crime is being investigated?

The investigation appears to be illegal.
The language you use appears nowhere in that article. If you are going to cite something you should cite it.

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Re: The Trump's incriminating collusion with Russia megathread.

Post by Mr. Perfect » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:57 am

Mr. Perfect wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:13 am
No, it does appear to be illegal because of the use of a special prosecutor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_p ... estigation

A Special Prosecutor is only used to investigate specific potential crimes, "The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted". So far no one can identify what possible laws have been broken. What crime is being investigated?

The investigation appears to be illegal.
Bolded.

A criminal investigation requires a crime, a crime is breaking of the law, so far no one can even come up with a hypothetical law being broken.

Or, how can you criminally investigate something that is legal.

So illegal investigation.

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Re: The Trump's incriminating collusion with Russia megathread.

Post by Milo » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:05 am

Mr. Perfect wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:57 am
Mr. Perfect wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:13 am
No, it does appear to be illegal because of the use of a special prosecutor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_p ... estigation

A Special Prosecutor is only used to investigate specific potential crimes, "The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted". So far no one can identify what possible laws have been broken. What crime is being investigated?

The investigation appears to be illegal.
Bolded.

A criminal investigation requires a crime, a crime is breaking of the law, so far no one can even come up with a hypothetical law being broken.

Or, how can you criminally investigate something that is legal.

So illegal investigation.
I am done. You are, as you so often are, simply trolling.

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Re: The Trump's incriminating collusion with Russia megathread.

Post by Mr. Perfect » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:17 am

Ok, but if colluding with Russians is legal why is there a criminal investigation?

Seems like an obvious question.

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Re: The Trump's incriminating collusion with Russia megathread.

Post by Mr. Perfect » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:41 am

For example, I have heard many Democrats claim that colluding with Russia is "treason".



However, this is the definition of treason in the United States.

Definition: In Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution, treason is specifically limited to levying war against the US, or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. Conviction requires two witnesses or a confession in open court

So nobody has committed treason because we are not at war with Russia.

I have not found a single law, nor I have I seen any person anywhere find a law that colluding with Russia is illegal.

So the question I have is if colluding with Russia is legal, regardless of whether it happened or not, why is there a criminal investigation and special prosecutor.

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Re: The Trump's incriminating collusion with Russia megathread.

Post by Mr. Perfect » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:50 am

Taking it further, the Clinton campaign colluded with foreign agent Christopher Steele.



Christopher Steele then colluded with Russian nationals to produce a document that was peddled to US media and law enforcement

So there was election meddling from Russians, but it was with the Clinton campaign.

No criminal charges have been filed, no investigations have been launched.

Anyone know why that is?

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Re: The Trump's incriminating collusion with Russia megathread.

Post by Mr. Perfect » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:57 am

For example, this thread title is called "incriminating collusion". As far as I can tell colluding with Russians is not a crime.

So what are we talking about?

Seems like obvious questions.

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Re: The Trump's incriminating collusion with Russia megathread.

Post by Mr. Perfect » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:00 pm

And even more, Don Jr took a meeting with Russians almost 2 years ago.

This has been public knowledge for 1 year?

And zero charges have been brought against Don Jr.

My guess is because the meeting was not illegal.

So what are we investigating?

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Re: The Trump's incriminating collusion with Russia megathread.

Post by Mr. Perfect » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:03 pm

I wonder why this is.


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