Jair Bolsonaro declared Brazil's next president

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Jair Bolsonaro declared Brazil's next president

Post by Doc » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:31 pm

I have scanned through several article concerning Bolsonaro and this seems the least biased (and honest) account though it does not mention Balsonaro being stabbed by an opposition supporter. Nor does it mention the massive corruption in the nearly two decades the socialists were in power.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -big-scars

As a reminder some of the recent history

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Post by Mr. Perfect » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:54 am

Sounds pretty good. Hopefully a similar result here next week.

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Post by Sertorio » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:43 am

Doc wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:31 pm
I have scanned through several article concerning Bolsonaro and this seems the least biased (and honest) account though it does not mention Balsonaro being stabbed by an opposition supporter. Nor does it mention the massive corruption in the nearly two decades the socialists were in power.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -big-scars
Corruption in Brazil - like in the US - is not a matter of right or left. One of the most corrupt Brazilian presidents, Collor de Mello, was from the right. The trouble with Bolsonaro is that he is a true fascist. A homophobic racist, he has defended the return to a military dictatorship to solve the problem of criminality in Brazil. If he does only half of what he promised, Brazil will be thrown into a civil war. Eventually someone will shoot him and solve the immediate problem.

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Re: Jair Bolsonaro declared Brazil's next president

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Sertorio wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:43 am
Doc wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:31 pm
I have scanned through several article concerning Bolsonaro and this seems the least biased (and honest) account though it does not mention Balsonaro being stabbed by an opposition supporter. Nor does it mention the massive corruption in the nearly two decades the socialists were in power.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -big-scars
Corruption in Brazil - like in the US - is not a matter of right or left. One of the most corrupt Brazilian presidents, Collor de Mello, was from the right. The trouble with Bolsonaro is that he is a true fascist. A homophobic racist, he has defended the return to a military dictatorship to solve the problem of criminality in Brazil. If he does only half of what he promised, Brazil will be thrown into a civil war. Eventually someone will shoot him and solve the immediate problem.
I don’t consider him a fascist. He has authoritarian tendencies but that does not make him fascist. I consider fascism as an offshoot of Socialism. After all Mussolini started out as a Socialist.

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Re: Jair Bolsonaro declared Brazil's next president

Post by Doc » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:58 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:43 am
Doc wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:31 pm
I have scanned through several article concerning Bolsonaro and this seems the least biased (and honest) account though it does not mention Balsonaro being stabbed by an opposition supporter. Nor does it mention the massive corruption in the nearly two decades the socialists were in power.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -big-scars
Corruption in Brazil - like in the US - is not a matter of right or left. One of the most corrupt Brazilian presidents, Collor de Mello, was from the right. The trouble with Bolsonaro is that he is a true fascist. A homophobic racist, he has defended the return to a military dictatorship to solve the problem of criminality in Brazil. If he does only half of what he promised, Brazil will be thrown into a civil war. Eventually someone will shoot him and solve the immediate problem.
At least half the population of Brasil wanted a military take over because all the politicians were exposed as corrupt. What I see as what Bolsonaro is and is not completely depends on who is telling it. But the ones I know to be true are the ones he backed away from. Payments to the poor he is actually talking about giving a christmas bonus to them as is traditional in employment in Brasil.

But for a lot of it I can ask 10 Brasilians and get 10 different answers. Plus they are all pretty touchy about it as is generally true of all Brasilians WRT politics, at least the ones I have known. I can read the international MSM but they are even less credible than the US MSM on this. Even the Bloomberg story I linked to above leaves out a tremendous amount of very important facts. As far as I know what is omitted would support Bolnosaro.

What I am certain of is that Bolnosaro love him or hate him is the last credible chance Brasil has left as pretty much everyone else of national standing has no credibility left with one half the country or the other, and in many cases none with both halves.

Honestly I see Brasil breaking up North VS South. Many in the South have been calling for that for decades
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Post by SteveFoerster » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:47 pm

Ah, the Country of Tomorrow strikes again.

If I were Brazilian, I'd be looking to hop on a plane and hang out with Sertorio. When someone cut from the same cloth as Duterte takes power, it's time to GTFO.
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Post by Mr. Perfect » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:24 pm

I think that's what they said about Trump, and of course we are experiencing a new golden age.

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Post by SteveFoerster » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:35 pm

Mr. Perfect wrote:
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I think that's what they said about Trump, and of course we are experiencing a new golden age.
More like a pyrite age, but whatever.
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Re: Jair Bolsonaro declared Brazil's next president

Post by Mr. Perfect » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:50 pm

With our economic performance it is definitely gold.

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Re: Jair Bolsonaro declared Brazil's next president

Post by neverfail » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:00 pm

Doc wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:58 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:43 am
Doc wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:31 pm
I have scanned through several article concerning Bolsonaro and this seems the least biased (and honest) account though it does not mention Balsonaro being stabbed by an opposition supporter. Nor does it mention the massive corruption in the nearly two decades the socialists were in power.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -big-scars
Corruption in Brazil - like in the US - is not a matter of right or left. One of the most corrupt Brazilian presidents, Collor de Mello, was from the right. The trouble with Bolsonaro is that he is a true fascist. A homophobic racist, he has defended the return to a military dictatorship to solve the problem of criminality in Brazil. If he does only half of what he promised, Brazil will be thrown into a civil war. Eventually someone will shoot him and solve the immediate problem.
At least half the population of Brasil wanted a military take over because all the politicians were exposed as corrupt. What I see as what Bolsonaro is and is not completely depends on who is telling it. But the ones I know to be true are the ones he backed away from. Payments to the poor he is actually talking about giving a christmas bonus to them as is traditional in employment in Brasil.

But for a lot of it I can ask 10 Brasilians and get 10 different answers. Plus they are all pretty touchy about it as is generally true of all Brasilians WRT politics, at least the ones I have known. I can read the international MSM but they are even less credible than the US MSM on this. Even the Bloomberg story I linked to above leaves out a tremendous amount of very important facts. As far as I know what is omitted would support Bolnosaro.

What I am certain of is that Bolnosaro love him or hate him is the last credible chance Brasil has left as pretty much everyone else of national standing has no credibility left with one half the country or the other, and in many cases none with both halves.

Honestly I see Brasil breaking up North VS South. Many in the South have been calling for that for decades
Thanks for the above wrap-up of the Brazil situation doc.

I have not been to Brazil and my most direct line of contact has been via my son who has worked there on several occasions. If you can imagine the worst city in the United States for violent crime and civil disorder on steroids then apparently the entire nation is a lot like that.

But military rule? The last time they had that the human rights abuses were just horrendous:

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/11/worl ... eased.html
RIO DE JANEIRO — Agents of Brazil’s military dictatorship crucified some torture victims, beating the palms of their hands with sticks as they hung on the walls of interrogation centers. Other victims had insects like cockroaches introduced into their bodies. Interrogators submitted prisoners, including Dilma Rousseff, a former guerrilla who is now Brazil’s president, to electric shocks.

In a sweeping report, a truth commission on Wednesday published a long list of torture methods used during military rule in Brazil from 1964 to 1985, identified 377 individuals as responsible for rights violations and called for their criminal prosecutions in a major challenge to a 1979 amnesty law shielding those responsible for such crimes.
Brazilians should beware of what they wish for lest it come true.

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