A dithering Obama emboldened China

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Re: A dithering Obama emboldened China

Post by cassowary » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:17 am

Hahaha.

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Re: A dithering Obama emboldened China

Post by Sertorio » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:39 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:00 am
And I, in turn, wonder whether a Portuguese who became an atheist may not have lost the ability to understand Portugal and the Portuguese ...
We have always been more superstitious than religious. As we became better educated and therefore less superstitious, our religiosity started to fade away. But very few people will be militant atheists... That's something for northern Europeans, not for us southerners...

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Re: A dithering Obama emboldened China

Post by SteveFoerster » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:45 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:43 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:23 pm

The Chinese regime in China cannot be trusted. That's the reason why Taiwan clings to its indepenence. Taiwan trusts the US more than its fellow Chinese across the Straits. They understand them perfectly. And so do I.
I wonder whether a Chinese who became a Christian may not have lost the ability to understand China and the Chinese...
Considering that 31 million people in China are Christian, I seriously doubt it. :roll:
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Re: A dithering Obama emboldened China

Post by cassowary » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:55 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:45 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:43 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:23 pm

The Chinese regime in China cannot be trusted. That's the reason why Taiwan clings to its indepenence. Taiwan trusts the US more than its fellow Chinese across the Straits. They understand them perfectly. And so do I.
I wonder whether a Chinese who became a Christian may not have lost the ability to understand China and the Chinese...
Considering that 31 million people in China are Christian, I seriously doubt it. :roll:




31 million is too low. See this. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... 15-years.h. China will overtake the US in the number of Christians by 2025.

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Post by cassowary » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:00 am

Christianity has a way of bringing the concept of human rights into society unlike Socialism. The pro democracy movements that toppled dictatorships in Taiwan and S Korea were led by Christians.

Maybe the Christian lamb will tame the red dragon.

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Post by cassowary » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:42 am

By the way, there are more Christians than Buddhists in South Korea. See this.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... uth-korea/.

Christianity has grown from 1% of the population in 1900 to about 30% today.

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Post by Sertorio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:29 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:00 am
Christianity has a way of bringing the concept of human rights into society unlike Socialism. The pro democracy movements that toppled dictatorships in Taiwan and S Korea were led by Christians.

Maybe the Christian lamb will tame the red dragon.
While Europeans steadily move away from religion, some Asians seem to move in the opposite direction. For many centuries Confucianism and Buddhism were the Asian peoples' answer to a need for spirituality and ethics. It is therefore surprising that some of them are now going down a much less satisfactory path, because it diminishes people's responsibility. With religions, masters become servants, which is never a satisfactory move.

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Re: A dithering Obama emboldened China

Post by cassowary » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:34 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:29 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:00 am
Christianity has a way of bringing the concept of human rights into society unlike Socialism. The pro democracy movements that toppled dictatorships in Taiwan and S Korea were led by Christians.

Maybe the Christian lamb will tame the red dragon.
While Europeans steadily move away from religion, some Asians seem to move in the opposite direction. For many centuries Confucianism and Buddhism were the Asian peoples' answer to a need for spirituality and ethics. It is therefore surprising that some of them are now going down a much less satisfactory path, because it diminishes people's responsibility. With religions, masters become servants, which is never a satisfactory move.
What do you mean by "with religions, masters become servants?"

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Re: A dithering Obama emboldened China

Post by Sertorio » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:26 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:34 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:29 am
cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:00 am
Christianity has a way of bringing the concept of human rights into society unlike Socialism. The pro democracy movements that toppled dictatorships in Taiwan and S Korea were led by Christians.

Maybe the Christian lamb will tame the red dragon.
While Europeans steadily move away from religion, some Asians seem to move in the opposite direction. For many centuries Confucianism and Buddhism were the Asian peoples' answer to a need for spirituality and ethics. It is therefore surprising that some of them are now going down a much less satisfactory path, because it diminishes people's responsibility. With religions, masters become servants, which is never a satisfactory move.
What do you mean by "with religions, masters become servants?"
Non-religious, ethical people base their behaviour exclusively on their conscience's dictate. They are the sole judges of their actions. Religious people are subject to a divine will and divine rules, and although they are free not to obey them, they will then be subject to divine penalties. The threat of eternal punishment is a powerful brake on their free will.

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Re: A dithering Obama emboldened China

Post by SteveFoerster » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:38 am

cassowary wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:00 am
Christianity has a way of bringing the concept of human rights into society unlike Socialism. The pro democracy movements that toppled dictatorships in Taiwan and S Korea were led by Christians.

Maybe the Christian lamb will tame the red dragon.
I'm afraid that history doesn't support such a sanguine view of Christianity overall, though.
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