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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:52 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:00 am
Some (former) European politicians are not stupid, contrarily to the more recent ones. Gerard Schröder is one of them:
Germany is Not a Banana Republic!': Ex-Chancellor Slams Trump's Treatment of Europe Like 'Vassals'
15:39 06.07.2019
https://sputniknews.com/world/201907061 ... e-vassals/

Gerhard Schroeder, who served as Germany's chancellor between 1998 and 2005, has emerged as an outspoken critic of the Trump administration and its efforts to pressure Germany, saying sovereign countries have the right to determine for themselves whom they do business with and what kind of foreign policy they pursue.

Gerhard Schroeder has come out with new criticism of President Trump's foreign and economic policies, accusing Washington of working to "destroy" the global economic order and of looking at its partners as vassal states rather than allies.

"Under the banner of freedom and market economics, [President Trump] is deliberately destroying the rule-based global economic system," Schroeder said, speaking to Handelsblatt in an interview published Saturday.

Asked if this had to do with Trump's 'America First' economic doctrine, the former chancellor clarified that it's not about protectionism. "Everyone does that, even in Europe. The danger of Trump is that he tries to dictate to friends and allies what they have to do, and what they can do politically and economically. Speaking frankly, this means that he does not want partners, but vassals," he said.

Schroeder also expressed his concern over recent actions by Trump-appointed US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, accusing him of meddling in Germany's affairs.

"What is the American ambassador doing publicly criticising Germany's defence budget, or attacking our automotive industry? Here I would like to have heard a statement from the German government on one or two occasions about how this is none of his business. We are not a banana republic here!" Schroeder said, commenting on the recent Volkswagen 'dieselgate' scandal and the US envoy's reaction to it.

The sharp remarks weren't the first time Schroeder criticised Grenell. Late last year, the former chancellor compared the ambassador to an "occupation officer."

Europe Must Unite or Be Squeezed Between Washington and Beijing

According to Schroeder, a realignment of power is underway in the world. "On one hand there is the still strong US, and on the other a powerful, Asia dominated by China. Who will be able to stand between them - not Germany, not France, but only a united Europe," he said.

"This is what forces us to hold this community together. If we cannot do that, we will become third-rate [countries] between the two above-mentioned poles," Schroeder said, adding that the UK's decision to leave was a "big mistake" which has "weakened Europe permanently."

"Now is the time to move on to a federal Europe, although I know how difficult that is. Unfortunately, nobody is ready for it right now," Schroeder, who played an instrumental role in expanding the EU project in the late 1990s and early 2000s, stressed. "The euro area must get far greater coordination of economic, financial and social policy too. The nucleus is the euro area. Designing and expanding it is the task for the next generation on the way to a United States of Europe."

Schroeder warned against exaggerating the supposed threat posed by China. "It used to be considered common sense that China is so important to the world economy that it must take on more responsibility. Now, Beijing is doing just that, and the reaction is that many are warning about a 'Yellow Peril," he said.

Commenting on the assessment that China engages in 'neo-mercantilist' policy with its Silk Road initiative, Schroeder said the US dollar system does the same thing.

During his chancellorship, Schroeder devoted considerable attention to improving German and European relations and economic ties with Russia. A key proponent of the Nord Stream gas pipeline project, he is now chairman of Nord Stream AG, the consortium operating the pipeline. Earlier this year, he told German media that Europe needs Russia's economic potential, its markets and its natural resources in order to withstand competition from economic superpowers China and the US.
For those who read German, here is the full interview to Handelsblatt

https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/de ... 29370.html

"On the one hand there is still strong US, and on the other a powerful Asia dominated by China. Who will be able to stand between them - not Germany, not France, but only a united Europe." What constitutes "standing between them," Herr Schroeder? To what end? A united Europe? Gasp!

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by neverfail » Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:08 pm

Doc wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:56 am
I know that about Che because the socialist Mayor of NYC went to Miami a couple of weeks ago and gave a speech praising Che that did not go over very well because many of the people he gave the speech to had relatives personally shot by Che. Ooops !!
Doc, I can mentally picture a mayor of New York making an ass of himself saying the wrong thing to the wrong audience like that, but your allegation that the mayor of NYC is a socialist? :shock: Now come on Doc! New York is a city that thrives on commerce. I could not imagine any metropolis so devoted to chasing the dollar ever electing a socialist into high public office.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by neverfail » Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:12 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:52 am
"On the one hand there is still strong US, and on the other a powerful Asia dominated by China. Who will be able to stand between them - not Germany, not France, but only a united Europe." What constitutes "standing between them," Herr Schroeder? To what end? A united Europe? Gasp!
Schroeder would have had more credibility had he stated the obvious. That Trump's unilateral decision to pull out of the Iran nuclear agreement and unilaterally impose economic sanctions on Iran is plain WRONG.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:57 am

neverfail wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:12 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:52 am
"On the one hand there is still strong US, and on the other a powerful Asia dominated by China. Who will be able to stand between them - not Germany, not France, but only a united Europe." What constitutes "standing between them," Herr Schroeder? To what end? A united Europe? Gasp!
Schroeder would have had more credibility had he stated the obvious. That Trump's unilateral decision to pull out of the Iran nuclear agreement and unilaterally impose economic sanctions on Iran is plain WRONG.

The article discusses Schroeder's views on a united Europe. He sees such a Europe as an entity "able to stand between" (whatever that constitutes) China and the US. However, we're pleased to acknowledge your views on Trump/Iran, no matter how unrelated they are to the subject article.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:09 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:52 am

"On the one hand there is still strong US, and on the other a powerful Asia dominated by China. Who will be able to stand between them - not Germany, not France, but only a united Europe." What constitutes "standing between them," Herr Schroeder? To what end? A united Europe? Gasp!
"Standing between them" may mean working to prevent a conflict between them. Europe, if it becomes a political power, just as it is an economic one, no longer an imperial power, could help the world becoming more peaceful. Not by threats - the American way - but through diplomacy and promotion of tolerance in the world. To that end Europe must become politically united, and that's what Schröder suggests.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by neverfail » Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:59 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:09 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:52 am

"On the one hand there is still strong US, and on the other a powerful Asia dominated by China. Who will be able to stand between them - not Germany, not France, but only a united Europe." What constitutes "standing between them," Herr Schroeder? To what end? A united Europe? Gasp!
"Standing between them" may mean working to prevent a conflict between them. Europe, if it becomes a political power, just as it is an economic one, no longer an imperial power, could help the world becoming more peaceful. Not by threats - the American way - but through diplomacy and promotion of tolerance in the world. To that end Europe must become politically united, and that's what Schröder suggests.
Schroeder and you alike may well be pissing into the wind (pls excuse my ripe expression) Sertorio:

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/07/opini ... ty-crisis/

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:24 am

neverfail wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:59 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:09 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:52 am

"On the one hand there is still strong US, and on the other a powerful Asia dominated by China. Who will be able to stand between them - not Germany, not France, but only a united Europe." What constitutes "standing between them," Herr Schroeder? To what end? A united Europe? Gasp!
"Standing between them" may mean working to prevent a conflict between them. Europe, if it becomes a political power, just as it is an economic one, no longer an imperial power, could help the world becoming more peaceful. Not by threats - the American way - but through diplomacy and promotion of tolerance in the world. To that end Europe must become politically united, and that's what Schröder suggests.
Schroeder and you alike may well be pissing into the wind (pls excuse my ripe expression) Sertorio:

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/07/opini ... ty-crisis/
While the writer may be right about the difficulties of Eastern European countries (psychologically) catching up with the rest of Europe, it's just a matter of time until they find out they also are European, and that Russia is really no threat to any of them. There are problems in Europe, and the economic and political challenges may need a lot of work to be solved, but things are nevertheless moving. For instance, nobody gives a damn anymore about the country of origin of any of the people filling up the top positions in the EU. The trouble with Ursula von der Leyen is not that she is German, but that she is too conservative. The President of the Eurogroup (the countries belonging to the euro) is a Portuguese, and nobody gave a damn about that. If we finally create an European army, nobody will give a damn about the nationality of its generals. Our universities are full of students coming from all the other European countries, and that has helped us to realize that the intellectual quality of people has nothing to do with their nationality. Some people still stick to stereotypes, but they are a minority. There may be obstacles to the creation of a politically united Europe, but they are much smaller than they used to be. Sooner or later we will find a model of political union which will be acceptable to the vast majority of Europeans.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:00 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:24 am
neverfail wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:59 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:09 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:52 am

"On the one hand there is still strong US, and on the other a powerful Asia dominated by China. Who will be able to stand between them - not Germany, not France, but only a united Europe." What constitutes "standing between them," Herr Schroeder? To what end? A united Europe? Gasp!
"Standing between them" may mean working to prevent a conflict between them. Europe, if it becomes a political power, just as it is an economic one, no longer an imperial power, could help the world becoming more peaceful. Not by threats - the American way - but through diplomacy and promotion of tolerance in the world. To that end Europe must become politically united, and that's what Schröder suggests.
Schroeder and you alike may well be pissing into the wind (pls excuse my ripe expression) Sertorio:

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/07/opini ... ty-crisis/
While the writer may be right about the difficulties of Eastern European countries (psychologically) catching up with the rest of Europe, it's just a matter of time until they find out they also are European, and that Russia is really no threat to any of them. There are problems in Europe, and the economic and political challenges may need a lot of work to be solved, but things are nevertheless moving. For instance, nobody gives a damn anymore about the country of origin of any of the people filling up the top positions in the EU. The trouble with Ursula von der Leyen is not that she is German, but that she is too conservative. The President of the Eurogroup (the countries belonging to the euro) is a Portuguese, and nobody gave a damn about that. If we finally create an European army, nobody will give a damn about the nationality of its generals. Our universities are full of students coming from all the other European countries, and that has helped us to realize that the intellectual quality of people has nothing to do with their nationality. Some people still stick to stereotypes, but they are a minority. There may be obstacles to the creation of a politically united Europe, but they are much smaller than they used to be. Sooner or later we will find a model of political union which will be acceptable to the vast majority of Europeans.

Quite a reasonable exposition, Sertorio. Hope springs eternal, etc. But not to worry. neverfail will counter with either Trump bad bad or Australia good good. Meanwhile, we hope for the best for Europe.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Doc » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:41 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:08 pm
Doc wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:56 am
I know that about Che because the socialist Mayor of NYC went to Miami a couple of weeks ago and gave a speech praising Che that did not go over very well because many of the people he gave the speech to had relatives personally shot by Che. Ooops !!
Doc, I can mentally picture a mayor of New York making an ass of himself saying the wrong thing to the wrong audience like that, but your allegation that the mayor of NYC is a socialist? :shock: Now come on Doc! New York is a city that thrives on commerce. I could not imagine any metropolis so devoted to chasing the dollar ever electing a socialist into high public office.
He personally says he is a progressive today. Which in the US is socialist trying to hide they are a socialist. In the past he was more honest about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_de_B ... gn_manager
His first job was part of the Urban Fellows Program for the New York City Department of Juvenile Justice in 1984.[26][27] In 1987, shortly after completing graduate school at Columbia, de Blasio was hired to work as a political organizer by the Quixote Center in Maryland. In 1988, he traveled with the Quixote Center to Nicaragua for 10 days to help distribute food and medicine during the Nicaraguan Revolution. De Blasio was an ardent supporter of the ruling socialist government, the Sandinista National Liberation Front, which was at that time opposed by the Reagan administration.[27] After returning from Nicaragua, de Blasio moved to New York City, where he worked for a nonprofit organization focused on improving health care in Central America.[27] He continued to support the Sandinistas in his spare time, joining a group called the Nicaragua Solidarity Network of Greater New York, which held meetings and fundraisers for the Sandinista political party.[27] De Blasio's introduction to city politics came in 1989, when he worked as a volunteer coordinator for David Dinkins' mayoral campaign.[28] Following the campaign, de Blasio was an aide in City Hall.[29] In 1990, he described himself as an advocate for democratic socialism when asked about his goals for society.[27]
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by neverfail » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:01 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:00 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:24 am


While the writer may be right about the difficulties of Eastern European countries (psychologically) catching up with the rest of Europe, it's just a matter of time until they find out they also are European, and that Russia is really no threat to any of them. There are problems in Europe, and the economic and political challenges may need a lot of work to be solved, but things are nevertheless moving. For instance, nobody gives a damn anymore about the country of origin of any of the people filling up the top positions in the EU. The trouble with Ursula von der Leyen is not that she is German, but that she is too conservative. The President of the Eurogroup (the countries belonging to the euro) is a Portuguese, and nobody gave a damn about that. If we finally create an European army, nobody will give a damn about the nationality of its generals. Our universities are full of students coming from all the other European countries, and that has helped us to realize that the intellectual quality of people has nothing to do with their nationality. Some people still stick to stereotypes, but they are a minority. There may be obstacles to the creation of a politically united Europe, but they are much smaller than they used to be. Sooner or later we will find a model of political union which will be acceptable to the vast majority of Europeans.

Quite a reasonable exposition, Sertorio. Hope springs eternal, etc. But not to worry. neverfail will counter with either Trump bad bad or Australia good good. Meanwhile, we hope for the best for Europe.
:o Oh Jim! How could I possibly find it within myself to find fault with such an inspiring, plausible load of waffle like that which Sertorio has just presented us with? :lol:

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