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Jim the Moron
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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:13 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:40 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:34 am
We are just hearing about the total withdrawal of US ground forces from Syria. This is against much opposition from the entire spectrum of political interests.

Screw 'em. Iraq and Afghanistan should be next.
...and don't forget Europe...
Europe? It's my understanding that the US is adamant on retaining the 3-marine guard at its Liechtenstein embassy.
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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:19 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:13 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:40 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:34 am
We are just hearing about the total withdrawal of US ground forces from Syria. This is against much opposition from the entire spectrum of political interests.

Screw 'em. Iraq and Afghanistan should be next.
...and don't forget Europe...
Europe? It's my understanding that the US is adamant on retaining the 3-marine guard at its Liechtenstein embassy.
I wish that were all there was...

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:01 pm

"Who benefits as US withdraws from Syria? Not Israel."

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 37,00.html

Does anyone else care? All of a sudden the US yanking 2,000 soldiers out of Syria means that Israel and the Kurds are doomed? Are there not 2,000 Arab soldiers available to counter reemergence of the ISIS barbarians? Why must it be the US?

"Who will trust the US now." Ask the Kurds . . .

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:38 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:01 pm
"Who benefits as US withdraws from Syria? Not Israel."

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 37,00.html

Does anyone else care? All of a sudden the US yanking 2,000 soldiers out of Syria means that Israel and the Kurds are doomed? Are there not 2,000 Arab soldiers available to counter reemergence of the ISIS barbarians? Why must it be the US?

"Who will trust the US now." Ask the Kurds . . .
Nobody trusts the US, but US presence in Syria has absolutely no constructive purpose. The only reason the war isn't yet over in Syria is foreign interference, mostly from Turkey and the so-called coalition. The Syrian government is now strong enough to put an end to the foreign inspired rebellion, and strong enough to accept a political compromise which will satisfy the truly moderate opposition in Syria. That should become clear in the near future.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:53 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:38 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:01 pm
"Who benefits as US withdraws from Syria? Not Israel."

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 37,00.html

Does anyone else care? All of a sudden the US yanking 2,000 soldiers out of Syria means that Israel and the Kurds are doomed? Are there not 2,000 Arab soldiers available to counter reemergence of the ISIS barbarians? Why must it be the US?

"Who will trust the US now." Ask the Kurds . . .
Nobody trusts the US, but US presence in Syria has absolutely no constructive purpose. The only reason the war isn't yet over in Syria is foreign interference, mostly from Turkey and the so-called coalition. The Syrian government is now strong enough to put an end to the foreign inspired rebellion, and strong enough to accept a political compromise which will satisfy the truly moderate opposition in Syria. That should become clear in the near future.
I'm as glad as anyone that the U.S. is leaving, but listing the U.S. and Turkey as foreign powers that are meddling in Syria and neglecting to mention Russia is total nonsense. And it's not like Putin cares about Assad or everyday Syrians, he just wants that naval base, which is to say, the same behaviour for which you routinely criticise the U.S.
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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:36 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:53 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:38 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:01 pm
"Who benefits as US withdraws from Syria? Not Israel."

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 37,00.html

Does anyone else care? All of a sudden the US yanking 2,000 soldiers out of Syria means that Israel and the Kurds are doomed? Are there not 2,000 Arab soldiers available to counter reemergence of the ISIS barbarians? Why must it be the US?

"Who will trust the US now." Ask the Kurds . . .
Nobody trusts the US, but US presence in Syria has absolutely no constructive purpose. The only reason the war isn't yet over in Syria is foreign interference, mostly from Turkey and the so-called coalition. The Syrian government is now strong enough to put an end to the foreign inspired rebellion, and strong enough to accept a political compromise which will satisfy the truly moderate opposition in Syria. That should become clear in the near future.
I'm as glad as anyone that the U.S. is leaving, but listing the U.S. and Turkey as foreign powers that are meddling in Syria and neglecting to mention Russia is total nonsense. And it's not like Putin cares about Assad or everyday Syrians, he just wants that naval base, which is to say, the same behaviour for which you routinely criticise the U.S.
Russia was asked by Syria to assist in defeating the rebellion and ISIS. Turkey and the US interfered in defiance of international law. Funny you failed to mention that...

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by cassowary » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:03 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:38 am


Nobody trusts the US, ...
For one thing, most of your fellow Europeans do. That is why they got shocked when Trump, in the early days of the administration, floated the idea of leaving NATO.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by cassowary » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:29 pm

I am quite pleased with Trump's decision to withdraw from Syria. This will lessen the US burden in the Mid East so that it will will have more resources to deal with China, the main threat to the world democracy.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:06 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:03 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:38 am


Nobody trusts the US, ...
For one thing, most of your fellow Europeans do. That is why they got shocked when Trump, in the early days of the administration, floated the idea of leaving NATO.
I very much doubt most Europeans trust the US. All I see is most European governments being unwilling to upset the US. But sooner or later public opinion will prevail over governments' fears. When that happens US troops will leave Europe, never to return, and NATO will be dismantled, as it should. The US - just as the UK - has no place in Europe. We can very well manage our own affairs without their interference.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by cassowary » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:12 am

Sertorio wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:06 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:03 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:38 am


Nobody trusts the US, ...
For one thing, most of your fellow Europeans do. That is why they got shocked when Trump, in the early days of the administration, floated the idea of leaving NATO.
I very much doubt most Europeans trust the US. All I see is most European governments being unwilling to upset the US. But sooner or later public opinion will prevail over governments' fears. When that happens US troops will leave Europe, never to return, and NATO will be dismantled, as it should. The US - just as the UK - has no place in Europe. We can very well manage our own affairs without their interference.
The majority of Europeans, particularly those in Eastern Europe don't agree with you.

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