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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by SteveFoerster » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:56 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:48 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
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What possible interests of the U.S.? That's nonsense. Even if they wanted to, the Iranians cannot threaten U.S. territory.
But if Iran decided to obliterate Saudi Arabia's oil producing infrastructures, the US would suffer twofold:

1. Enormous increase in the price of oil;
2. No friends in the ME except Israel.
1. The U.S. has enough proven reserves to take care of itself. What you're suggesting would demolish the European and Chinese economies.
2. With friends like the House of Saud, who needs enemies?
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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by neverfail » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:11 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:48 am
1. Enormous increase in the price of oil;
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:24 am
1. The U.S. has enough proven reserves to take care of itself. What you're suggesting would demolish the European and Chinese economies.
Steve; is there some law in the US that compels local producers to sell their oil at below the prevailing world price?

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:39 am

neverfail wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:11 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:48 am
1. Enormous increase in the price of oil;
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:24 am
1. The U.S. has enough proven reserves to take care of itself. What you're suggesting would demolish the European and Chinese economies.
Steve; is there some law in the US that compels local producers to sell their oil at below the prevailing world price?
If they can, why shouldn't they?

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:50 am

There is a continuing need for the USA to get its nationals - man, woman, and child - out of Islamic-dominated West Asian and North African countries. Let the Muslim savages there stew in their own juices.

We are hearing of attacks on US diplomatic installations in Iraq. Recall Benghazi? Recall the embassy takeover in Iran? Don't pretend that there is anything to gain from "diplomacy" when barbarians are at the table.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by neverfail » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:18 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:50 am
There is a continuing need for the USA to get its nationals - man, woman, and child - out of Islamic-dominated West Asian and North African countries.
What are they doing there in the first place? Obviously there are there of their own volition.

You might feel very insecure about Islam Jim but obviously those expats don't.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:19 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:18 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:50 am
There is a continuing need for the USA to get its nationals - man, woman, and child - out of Islamic-dominated West Asian and North African countries.
What are they doing there in the first place? Obviously there are there of their own volition.

You might feel very insecure about Islam Jim but obviously those expats don't.
"What are they doing there . . ." Yes, that's the point. I was referring to military and diplomatic personnel compelled by their government (foolishly) to serve there. There will always be civilian expats who will live wherever they damn well please.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by neverfail » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:42 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:19 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:18 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:50 am
There is a continuing need for the USA to get its nationals - man, woman, and child - out of Islamic-dominated West Asian and North African countries.
What are they doing there in the first place? Obviously there are there of their own volition.

You might feel very insecure about Islam Jim but obviously those expats don't.
"What are they doing there . . ." Yes, that's the point. I was referring to military and diplomatic personnel compelled by their government (foolishly) to serve there. There will always be civilian expats who will live wherever they damn well please.
I understand your meaning better now Jim.

When you join the armed forces or the diplomatic corps (especially the former) you are supposed to do it as a service to your country. To be realistic you must do so in the expectation that at some time during the course of your chosen career you may be called upon to put your own life on the line.

Do you consider America, or even your country's influence abroad, to be worth dying for?

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:17 am

neverfail wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:42 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:19 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:18 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:50 am
There is a continuing need for the USA to get its nationals - man, woman, and child - out of Islamic-dominated West Asian and North African countries.
What are they doing there in the first place? Obviously there are there of their own volition.

You might feel very insecure about Islam Jim but obviously those expats don't.
"What are they doing there . . ." Yes, that's the point. I was referring to military and diplomatic personnel compelled by their government (foolishly) to serve there. There will always be civilian expats who will live wherever they damn well please.
I understand your meaning better now Jim.

When you join the armed forces or the diplomatic corps (especially the former) you are supposed to do it as a service to your country. To be realistic you must do so in the expectation that at some time during the course of your chosen career you may be called upon to put your own life on the line.

Do you consider America, or even your country's influence abroad, to be worth dying for?
Yes. Probably most citizens of most countries would do their parts to preserve life, home, and culture against an enemy. However, this doesn't extend to wasting blood and treasure in barbaric lands. The US needs to get the hell out of there.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:03 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:17 am
Probably most citizens of most countries would do their parts to preserve life, home, and culture against an enemy. However, this doesn't extend to wasting blood and treasure in barbaric lands. The US needs to get the hell out of there.
Hear! Hear!...

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by neverfail » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:07 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:17 am

Yes. Probably most citizens of most countries would do their parts to preserve life, home, and culture against an enemy. However, this doesn't extend to wasting blood and treasure in barbaric lands. The US needs to get the hell out of there.
Not in every case. Are you aware that during the Second World War in Belgium during the Nazi German occupation of that country; few Belgians joined the underground resistance movement but of those who did virtually all to a man were drawn from the French speaking Walloon community. By contrast the majority of collaborators with the occupiers were drawn from the Flemish community; who speak a dialect of Dutch.

Why the difference? Because Flemish is a Teutonic language - a cousin to German whereas French is quite alien to both. As the Walloons had traditionally run Belgium since its inception as a sovereign state after the Napoleonic Wars the Flemish have regarded the Walloons as their oppressors and exploiters. During both World wars the Flemish were more inclined to view the German occupiers more as their liberators from Walloon oppression than as enemy occupiers of their country.

Belgium is an artifice that only exists because greater powers have deemed that it should exist. As such few Belgians would want to willingly risk their lives defending it from an invader.

What I am saying is that there are no shortage of fractured multi-tribal (and multi-confessional) states in our world whose inhabitants would consider not worth defending. Belgium is just a mild example of what I mean.
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As for the US "getting the hell out" you realise don't you that by doing so the US will abdicate the means to influence the course of events in these places: allowing others to move into the vacuum?
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Ignoring America's quasi-imperial interests abroad: the fact that you live there at all implies that you regard the United States as a land worth living in: but do you consider it worth dying for?

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