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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Milo » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:35 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:41 am
"US, Turkey will work together in Syria"
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-e ... on-says-us

Whatever glimmer of hope there was out there for improvement in US foreign policy has been extinguished. "... the US risked being dealt an 'Ottoman slap' in Syria - a backhand thwack which, according to legend, could kill an opponent at a stroke."

Thus we see an abject US hanging around in the ME at the beck and call of primitive Islamic interests.
Yes, Turkey has little to offer the US in return for any agreement and will no doubt reneg on whatever it actually does offer.

Of course, the US is not doing this for Turkey it is doing it for the KSA. My dim view of that is well known.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:25 am

http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/the ... t-in-syria
"The ultimate rent-a-war being fought in Syria"

Friedman has a good account of the chaotic scene in Syria. But, he says that he's going to try to untangle "what United States policy" should be there. He doesn't. Could it be? Could it be that US policy there should be to withdraw all Americans from that barbaric land?

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by neverfail » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:56 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:25 am
http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/the ... t-in-syria
"The ultimate rent-a-war being fought in Syria"

Friedman has a good account of the chaotic scene in Syria. But, he says that he's going to try to untangle "what United States policy" should be there. He doesn't. Could it be? Could it be that US policy there should be to withdraw all Americans from that barbaric land?
All civil wars are barbaric JIM. Do not lose sight of the fact that historically Syria has been one of the World's great cradles of civilisation.

As for the US and other foreign participants of this conflict; don't you think that the stakes are now too high to make withdrawal an easy option?

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:45 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:56 pm

As for the US and other foreign participants of this conflict; don't you think that the stakes are now too high to make withdrawal an easy option?
What stakes? There is no alternative to withdrawal.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by SteveFoerster » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:46 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:45 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:56 pm

As for the US and other foreign participants of this conflict; don't you think that the stakes are now too high to make withdrawal an easy option?
What stakes? There is no alternative to withdrawal.
I suppose leaving would mean embarrassment for U.S. policymakers for having to admit both fecklessness and poor judgment?
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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:17 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:46 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:45 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:56 pm

As for the US and other foreign participants of this conflict; don't you think that the stakes are now too high to make withdrawal an easy option?
What stakes? There is no alternative to withdrawal.
I suppose leaving would mean embarrassment for U.S. policymakers for having to admit both fecklessness and poor judgment?
Nothing can ever be as embarrassing as leaving South Vietnam, aknowledging the US defeat, and they did it. So, it shouldn't be too difficult to leave Syria and Iraq...

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Milo » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:33 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:17 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:46 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:45 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:56 pm

As for the US and other foreign participants of this conflict; don't you think that the stakes are now too high to make withdrawal an easy option?
What stakes? There is no alternative to withdrawal.
I suppose leaving would mean embarrassment for U.S. policymakers for having to admit both fecklessness and poor judgment?
Nothing can ever be as embarrassing as leaving South Vietnam, aknowledging the US defeat, and they did it. So, it shouldn't be too difficult to leave Syria and Iraq...
Nothing can ever be as embarrassing as leaving Afghanistan, aknowledging the Russian defeat, and they did it. So, it shouldn't be too difficult to leave Syria and Iraq...

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:17 pm

Milo wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:33 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:17 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:46 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:45 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:56 pm

As for the US and other foreign participants of this conflict; don't you think that the stakes are now too high to make withdrawal an easy option?
What stakes? There is no alternative to withdrawal.
I suppose leaving would mean embarrassment for U.S. policymakers for having to admit both fecklessness and poor judgment?
Nothing can ever be as embarrassing as leaving South Vietnam, aknowledging the US defeat, and they did it. So, it shouldn't be too difficult to leave Syria and Iraq...
Nothing can ever be as embarrassing as leaving Afghanistan, aknowledging the Russian defeat, and they did it. So, it shouldn't be too difficult to leave Syria and Iraq...
Why would Russia leave Syria where it is winning? The US left Vietnam because it lost there. Having also lost in Syria and Iraq, one would expect the US to leave soon, probably in a less embarrassing manner than it did in Vietnam... Americans may be crass warmongers, but they aren't completely blind or stupid...

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Milo » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:22 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:17 pm
Milo wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:33 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:17 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:46 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:45 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:56 pm

As for the US and other foreign participants of this conflict; don't you think that the stakes are now too high to make withdrawal an easy option?
What stakes? There is no alternative to withdrawal.
I suppose leaving would mean embarrassment for U.S. policymakers for having to admit both fecklessness and poor judgment?
Nothing can ever be as embarrassing as leaving South Vietnam, aknowledging the US defeat, and they did it. So, it shouldn't be too difficult to leave Syria and Iraq...
Nothing can ever be as embarrassing as leaving Afghanistan, aknowledging the Russian defeat, and they did it. So, it shouldn't be too difficult to leave Syria and Iraq...
Why would Russia leave Syria where it is winning? The US left Vietnam because it lost there. Having also lost in Syria and Iraq, one would expect the US to leave soon, probably in a less embarrassing manner than it did in Vietnam... Americans may be crass warmongers, but they aren't completely blind or stupid...
Why would the US leave Syria where it is winning? Russia left Afghanistan because it lost there. Having also lost in Syria and Iraq, one would expect Russia to leave soon, probably in a less embarrassing manner than it did in Afghanistan... Russians may be crass warmongers, but they aren't completely blind or stupid...

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:14 am

Milo wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:22 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:17 pm

Why would Russia leave Syria where it is winning? The US left Vietnam because it lost there. Having also lost in Syria and Iraq, one would expect the US to leave soon, probably in a less embarrassing manner than it did in Vietnam... Americans may be crass warmongers, but they aren't completely blind or stupid...
Why would the US leave Syria where it is winning? Russia left Afghanistan because it lost there. Having also lost in Syria and Iraq, one would expect Russia to leave soon, probably in a less embarrassing manner than it did in Afghanistan... Russians may be crass warmongers, but they aren't completely blind or stupid...
Wrong premises: the US is NOT winning in Syria; Russia has NOT lost in Syria.

You know this very well, why do you waste time making statements you know are false? Do you expect to win an argument based on falsehoods? Is that how you function in court?...

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