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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:43 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:30 pm
We are hearing about efforts to have the US government respond in some way to the torture death of a Saudi in Turkey. So what else is new? Let's say the Saudis are responsible. Will offended buyers of Saudi oil stop buying? Will the US cancel arms sales to the KSA? Or, can it be that it will be viewed as business as usual in the barbaric Islamic world?
Now, just imagine what the reaction would be if a killing had occured at a Russian consulate...

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:43 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:43 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:30 pm
We are hearing about efforts to have the US government respond in some way to the torture death of a Saudi in Turkey. So what else is new? Let's say the Saudis are responsible. Will offended buyers of Saudi oil stop buying? Will the US cancel arms sales to the KSA? Or, can it be that it will be viewed as business as usual in the barbaric Islamic world?
Now, just imagine what the reaction would be if a killing had occured at a Russian consulate...
Or at a US consulate . . . (But, wait. An American ambassador was killed at a consulate a few years back, and the US honcho dismissed it out-of-hand - "What difference does it make?") Perhaps a similar response to the incident in Turkey might be in order?

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:04 am

This latest business at the Saudi consulate in Turkey points out a reality that finally has to be addressed by the US. Why is that butchery by Muslim thugs causing such a commotion within American political types? Countless similar atrocities carried out by Muslim cutthroats take place throughout the Islamic world all the time. Why should it fall to the US to try, with little success, to clean up all these messes caused by the activities of European powers in the past in West Asia and North Africa?

The Great Game is over. The region has descended into barbarism, with no end in sight. The British, Russians, and Americans found that out in Afghanistan. Hundreds of Marines died in their barracks in Lebanon. Thousands of soldiers died in Iraq. And to what end? Get the hell out of there.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:32 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:04 am
This latest business at the Saudi consulate in Turkey points out a reality that finally has to be addressed by the US. Why is that butchery by Muslim thugs causing such a commotion within American political types? Countless similar atrocities carried out by Muslim cutthroats take place throughout the Islamic world all the time. Why should it fall to the US to try, with little success, to clean up all these messes caused by the activities of European powers in the past in West Asia and North Africa?

The Great Game is over. The region has descended into barbarism, with no end in sight. The British, Russians, and Americans found that out in Afghanistan. Hundreds of Marines died in their barracks in Lebanon. Thousands of soldiers died in Iraq. And to what end? Get the hell out of there.
And on their way back to the US, will they please pick up those who are still in Europe?...

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:48 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:32 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:04 am
This latest business at the Saudi consulate in Turkey points out a reality that finally has to be addressed by the US. Why is that butchery by Muslim thugs causing such a commotion within American political types? Countless similar atrocities carried out by Muslim cutthroats take place throughout the Islamic world all the time. Why should it fall to the US to try, with little success, to clean up all these messes caused by the activities of European powers in the past in West Asia and North Africa?

The Great Game is over. The region has descended into barbarism, with no end in sight. The British, Russians, and Americans found that out in Afghanistan. Hundreds of Marines died in their barracks in Lebanon. Thousands of soldiers died in Iraq. And to what end? Get the hell out of there.
And on their way back to the US, will they please pick up those who are still in Europe?...
Our pleasure . . .

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by neverfail » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:28 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:43 pm

Or at a US consulate . . . (But, wait. An American ambassador was killed at a consulate a few years back, and the US honcho dismissed it out-of-hand - "What difference does it make?") Perhaps a similar response to the incident in Turkey might be in order?
That 2012 attack on the US mission in Benghazi, Libya was by a shadowy terrorist group operating in a land where law and order had broken down. What could the US government do about it anyhow? Quite a different matter to the Istanbul situation of recent memory where a hit squad sent by the Saudi government perpetrated the act against a person under US protection.

If Trump lets this one pass unpunished then he will only invite such violations of international law to multiply.

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Sertorio » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:14 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:28 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:43 pm

Or at a US consulate . . . (But, wait. An American ambassador was killed at a consulate a few years back, and the US honcho dismissed it out-of-hand - "What difference does it make?") Perhaps a similar response to the incident in Turkey might be in order?
That 2012 attack on the US mission in Benghazi, Libya was by a shadowy terrorist group operating in a land where law and order had broken down. What could the US government do about it anyhow? Quite a different matter to the Istanbul situation of recent memory where a hit squad sent by the Saudi government perpetrated the act against a person under US protection.

If Trump lets this one pass unpunished then he will only invite such violations of international law to multiply.
And he will put the sanctions against Russia in quite a new perspective...

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Re: US Foreign Policy

Post by Jim the Moron » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:12 am

neverfail wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:28 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:43 pm

Or at a US consulate . . . (But, wait. An American ambassador was killed at a consulate a few years back, and the US honcho dismissed it out-of-hand - "What difference does it make?") Perhaps a similar response to the incident in Turkey might be in order?
That 2012 attack on the US mission in Benghazi, Libya was by a shadowy terrorist group operating in a land where law and order had broken down. What could the US government do about it anyhow? Quite a different matter to the Istanbul situation of recent memory where a hit squad sent by the Saudi government perpetrated the act against a person under US protection.

If Trump lets this one pass unpunished then he will only invite such violations of international law to multiply.
There was a lot the US State Dept could have done about Benghazi but failed to do. Please look it up.

Exactly how was Jamal Khashoggi "a person under US protection?" He was a Saudi in Turkey and was executed by barbaric Muslims there. What punishment should Trump inflict on the Saudis? You mean something short of nuking Riyadh and Mecca? Destroying KSA's oil production facilities? I'm open to suggestions . . .

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