Exit the United Nations?

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Should we stay in the United Nations?

Yes, exit the U.N., I'm an American
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58%
Yes, exit the U.N., I'm not an American
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No votes
Don't care one way or another.
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8%
No, stay in the U.N., I'm an American
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No votes
No, stay in the U.N., I'm not an American
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33%
 
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Exit the United Nations?

Post by Booklady » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:20 pm

Whoa!
Bill H.R. 193 To end membership in U.N.!

H.R.193 - American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2017
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... l/193/text

A BILL
To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. Short title.
This Act may be cited as the “American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2017”.
SEC. 2. Repeal of United Nations Participation Act of 1945.

(a) Repeal.—The United Nations Participation Act of 1945 (Public Law 79–264; 22 U.S.C. 287 et seq.) is repealed.
(b) Termination of membership in United Nations.—The President shall terminate all membership by the United States in the United Nations, and in any organ, specialized agency, commission, or other formally affiliated body of the United Nations.
(c) Closure of United States Mission to United Nations.—The United States Mission to the United Nations is closed. Any remaining functions of such office shall not be carried out.
SEC. 3. Repeal of United Nations Headquarters Agreement Act.

(a) Repeal.—The United Nations Headquarters Agreement Act (Public Law 80–357) is repealed.
(b) Withdrawal.—The United States withdraws from the agreement between the United States of America and the United Nations regarding the headquarters of the United Nations (signed at Lake Success, New York, on June 26, 1947, which was brought into effect by the United Nations Headquarters Agreement Act).
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Re: Exit the United Nations?

Post by Jim the Moron » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:30 am

Jim the Moron (an American) just voted "Yes." But: IF:

1. Non-U.S. staff and delegates are denied diplomatic immunity (pay them damn traffic citations) or (better) UN headquarters is relocated (preferably to a country where the infrastructure development required would be a huge boost to the local economy), and/or

2. No military activities are UN-sponsored (including "peace keeping" activities such as forces in Africa being dispatched to rape children), and/or

3. Efforts sponsored by European and barbaric Muslim entities to "censor" Israel are prohibited, and/or

4. Lots of other stuff.

then I might reconsider.

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Re: Exit the United Nations?

Post by SteveFoerster » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:04 am

Jim the Moron wrote:Jim the Moron (an American) just voted "Yes." But: IF:

1. Non-U.S. staff and delegates are denied diplomatic immunity (pay them damn traffic citations) or (better) UN headquarters is relocated (preferably to a country where the infrastructure development required would be a huge boost to the local economy), and/or

2. No military activities are UN-sponsored (including "peace keeping" activities such as forces in Africa being dispatched to rape children), and/or

3. Efforts sponsored by European and barbaric Muslim entities to "censor" Israel are prohibited, and/or

4. Lots of other stuff.

then I might reconsider.
You forgot "5. Flying unicorns fart rainbows all over the UN HQ in Manhattan", which is roughly as likely as the other four.
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Re: Exit the United Nations?

Post by Booklady » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:02 am

Another promise...

BREAKING: Trump Makes MASSIVE Move Against United Nations…
Last December, in the wake of the outrageous Obama betrayal of Israel at the United Nations, and moves by the U.N. to meddle in U.S. issues such as gun rights, Donald Trump promised that things would be different regarding America’s role in the United Nations once he was sworn in.

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Just 5 days into his presidency, Trump is putting the U.N. in his sights, preparing executive orders to fundamentally change the U.S. role in the international body that has become nothing but an anti-American club for tyrants and thugs.
The orders could mean that some 40 percent of U.S. funding would be slashed, and that’s just for starters.
He also aims to reverse Obama’s use of U.N. bodies to meddle in U.S. energy and environmental affairs.

The New York Times reported:
The first of the two draft orders, titled “Auditing and Reducing U.S. Funding of International Organizations” and obtained by The New York Times, calls for terminating funding for any United Nations agency or other international body that meets any one of several criteria.

Those criteria include organizations that give full membership to the Palestinian Authority or Palestine Liberation Organization, or support programs that fund abortion or any activity that circumvents sanctions against Iran or North Korea. The draft order also calls for terminating funding for any organization that “is controlled or substantially influenced by any state that sponsors terrorism” or is blamed for the persecution of marginalized groups or any other systematic violation of human rights.

The order calls for then enacting “at least a 40 percent overall decrease” in United States funding toward U.N. organizations.

The second executive order, “Moratorium on New Multilateral Treaties,” calls for a review of all current and pending treaties with more than one other nation. It asks for recommendations on which negotiations or treaties the United States should leave.

The order says this review applies only to multilateral treaties that are not “directly related to national security, extradition or international trade,” but it is unclear what falls outside these restrictions.
Liberals are freaking out…

This is huge. It would be nice to see the U.S. withdraw completely from the UN as it has become little more than a breeding ground for anti-Semitism and hate.

However, further de-funding or withdrawal would require Congressional action, so Trump is doing 100% of what he can, and it’s a big time move.

Trump’s second order on treaties is also crucial, and could apply to Obama’s signature “legacy” deal, the Paris Climate Agreement. As the New York Times reported: “For example, the Paris climate agreement or other environmental treaties deal with trade issues but could potentially fall under this order.”

Trump clearly means business, and is not wasting any time delivering on promises he made to the people who put him in the Oval Office.
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Re: Exit the United Nations?

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:09 am

The UN is worse than useless. It would be for the benefit of the whole world for the U.S. to leave it -- hopefully it would collapse, but at least it would be significantly weakened.
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Re: Exit the United Nations?

Post by Milo » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:31 am

What would be ideal is a club of countries that meet certain standards of human rights, that would then exercise control over the countries that didn't!

IOW, decolonialization was a huge mistake, or at least the haste of it.

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Re: Exit the United Nations?

Post by Booklady » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:17 am

Milo wrote:What would be ideal is a club of countries that meet certain standards of human rights, that would then exercise control over the countries that didn't!

IOW, decolonialization was a huge mistake, or at least the haste of it.


Interesting, Milo. This may lead to the Milo Doctrine on the U.N.
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Re: Exit the United Nations?

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:30 am

Milo wrote:What would be ideal is a club of countries that meet certain standards of human rights, that would then exercise control over the countries that didn't!

IOW, decolonialization was a huge mistake, or at least the haste of it.
Because if any set of organisations in human history met high standards of human rights, it was European colonia.... ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Darn it, almost made it to the end....
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Re: Exit the United Nations?

Post by Milo » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:21 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Milo wrote:What would be ideal is a club of countries that meet certain standards of human rights, that would then exercise control over the countries that didn't!

IOW, decolonialization was a huge mistake, or at least the haste of it.
Because if any set of organisations in human history met high standards of human rights, it was European colonia.... ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Darn it, almost made it to the end....
Oh true but compare them to Idi Amino, Bokassa, Khmer Rouge, Saddam Hussein, Stalin, Mao...

Instead of cutting all the colonies loose so quickly I would have instituted a program of gradual devolution. Of course that was politically impossible but I think it would have been much better for all.

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Re: Exit the United Nations?

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:59 pm

Milo wrote:
SteveFoerster wrote:
Milo wrote:What would be ideal is a club of countries that meet certain standards of human rights, that would then exercise control over the countries that didn't!

IOW, decolonialization was a huge mistake, or at least the haste of it.
Because if any set of organisations in human history met high standards of human rights, it was European colonia.... ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Darn it, almost made it to the end....
Oh true but compare them to Idi Amino, Bokassa, Khmer Rouge, Saddam Hussein, Stalin, Mao...
Leopold II compares with the worst of them. And HIM Haile Selassie I was pretty enlightened for his time.
Instead of cutting all the colonies loose so quickly I would have instituted a program of gradual devolution. Of course that was politically impossible but I think it would have been much better for all.
That's kind of what happened in a lot of cases. At least in the West Indies, there were local parliaments long before there was independence. Typical sequence was a local legislature that took on more and more things, eventually the country was independent but kept the Queen as figurehead and the Privy Council in London as the court of highest appeal, and now there's a Caribbean Court of Justice that's recently replaced the Privy Council.

Many independent countries still have the Queen, Dominica ditched her on independence and Trinidad ditched her a while after independence. And the region still has a few UK overseas territories that are mostly self-governing, even though they participate fully in the Caribbean Community regional bloc and the OECS sub-regional bloc. So it's still sort of a spectrum across the region.

Actually, you (and others here) may appreciate a book by Donald Westlake called Under an English Heaven. It's a humorously written account of Anguilla's revolt in which they succeeded at forcing the British NOT to give them independence. It's a shame that it's out of print, but used copies are out there. Worth it.
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