Why do Democrats defend disorder?

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Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by cassowary » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:11 pm

My party always defended principled dissent, not lawless chaos ... by Ted van Dyk
Democrats’ response to the continuing round of urban disturbances makes one think that, yet again, they will snatch electoral defeat from the jaws of victory.

After President Trump’s dispatch of federal officers to protect federal facilities in Portland, Ore., some Democratic politicians characterized the officers as “storm troopers” or “secret agents” bent on sending “peaceful protesters” to concentration camps. I watched attacks on the Portland federal building on television as they were happening. The officers were uniformed and clearly identified. The perpetrators weren’t peaceful protesters but black-clad thugs using hammers and baseball bats to damage the building. Others attempted to set fire to it.

Local and state officials objected to the federal presence, saying it “made things worse” in the city. On the same evening, a group in Seattle paraded to a police precinct headquarters, breaking shop windows along the way. Several officers were injured. In New York, Mayor Bill de Blasio was forced to evict occupiers from City Hall Plaza.

Meantime, violent crime is on the rise in cities around the country. Chicago has been experiencing a murder plague visited on mostly minority residents over many months. It seems incredible that elected Democrats are supporting initiatives to defund the police, releasing prisoners from local jails, and even removing law-enforcement officers from schools.

Democrats should forget President Trump for a second. The current round of violence isn’t being undertaken by civil-justice or other reformers but by radicals using Jacobin street-violence tactics. The idea is to provoke confrontation and violence with constituted authority so as to discredit it, counting on a few gullible local residents to see police as oppressors. The pretense of peaceful protest is rapidly disappearing. Deaths, serious injuries, arson, public and private property damage, and economic dislocation have resulted.

The longer this continues, the greater demand to see it stopped will grow among wage-earning families, small-business people, homeowners, taxpayers and voters. Families of public safety and emergency personnel already have been alienated.

Any president dating back to Franklin D. Roosevelt would have taken action under these circumstances. First, there would be denunciation of the violence. Then the president would ask local officials if they needed federal help. If the answer was yes, it would be sent immediately. If the answer was no but disorder continued, the president would no doubt dispatch officers to protect federal buildings and otherwise restore order as authorized by the Constitution. He would know that the country at large looked to the president as the ultimate guarantor of public safety.

I can’t imagine Joe Biden, as vice president or a senator, hesitating to denounce lawlessness. Nor can I imagine past congressional, state and local leaders condoning such destruction. Democrats have always supported dissent, not disorder.

Many of Mr. Trump’s policies deserve criticism, but this isn’t one of them. Democrats are presenting a pro-chaos caricature of themselves, which will discredit them with the public if they maintain it. Especially at the local level, elected officials must recognize that a majority of Americans want to live normal lives without threat of violence or harm.

Mr. Van Dyk was active in Democratic national policy and politics for 40 years. He is author of “Heroes, Hacks and Fools” (University of Washington Press, 2007).
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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:55 am

Everybody of that persuasion lives in a Drama. They are the main character, are treated unjustly and everything they do is right. They don't waste time responding to mandible noises from pulp-chewing termites who are even less than an annoyance......
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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by Doc » Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:20 pm

lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:55 am
Everybody of that persuasion lives in a Drama. They are the main character, are treated unjustly and everything they do is right. They don't waste time responding to mandible noises from pulp-chewing termites who are even less than an annoyance......
A very telling answer. In this case the question was: Why does the left always attack people without getting the facts then having to walk it back even when the person being attacked was 16 year old caight on video doing nothing but wearing a MAGA Hat:



A)"Because we are desperate to get get Trump out of office"

And they can't help themselves. They can't close their mouths

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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by cassowary » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:45 am

Doc wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:20 pm
lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:55 am
Everybody of that persuasion lives in a Drama. They are the main character, are treated unjustly and everything they do is right. They don't waste time responding to mandible noises from pulp-chewing termites who are even less than an annoyance......
A very telling answer. In this case the question was: Why does the left always attack people without getting the facts then having to walk it back even when the person being attacked was 16 year old caight on video doing nothing but wearing a MAGA Hat:



A)"Because we are desperate to get get Trump out of office"

And they can't help themselves. They can't close their mouths

I have a theory. The Left lives in cloud cuckoo land. They believe in Socialism, where everybody is taken cared of by the state. It does not work, never worked before and never will work.

They have lost their traditional Christian faith, where God will take care of you, either here on earth on later in the hereafter. So they substitute God with an all powerful state who will take care of you.

This is the foundation of their fantasies. It soon spreads to other areas. Those who tell them the truth must be the devil. During the Cold War, they wanted to believe that it is possible and the USSR led the way. So, America, being leader of the free world, must be the devil that stood in the way of this utopia, this "heaven on earth" (Marxist Moses Hess' words).

The USSR is gone, but their "religion" remains. America is still the devil for having giving them their biggest setback. They will disregard all evidence to the contrary to continue their fantasy. We by defeating the USSR. Over here, we have Sertorio who sympathises with dictators like Xi and Putin. He is absolutely convinced that these thugs are better than Trump. To believe otherwise would be to abandon their faith.

It is too painful.
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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by Sertorio » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:35 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:45 am

(...)They have lost their traditional Christian faith, where God will take care of you, either here on earth on later in the hereafter. So they substitute God with an all powerful state who will take care of you (...)
A faith which, although having some good points, is based on a lie. Jesus was a devout Jew who only wanted to restore Judaism to its purity, and we transformed it into a religion Jesus would not recognize, guilty of persecuting Jews for 2,000 years. If you think that socialist values are worse than those of a fake religion, you are very wrong...

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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by cassowary » Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:01 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:35 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:45 am

(...)They have lost their traditional Christian faith, where God will take care of you, either here on earth on later in the hereafter. So they substitute God with an all powerful state who will take care of you (...)
A faith which, although having some good points, is based on a lie. Jesus was a devout Jew who only wanted to restore Judaism to its purity, and we transformed it into a religion Jesus would not recognize, guilty of persecuting Jews for 2,000 years. If you think that socialist values are worse than those of a fake religion, you are very wrong...
Socialism is a fake religion that killed nearly 100 million people.

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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by Milo » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:59 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:45 am
Doc wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:20 pm
lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:55 am
Everybody of that persuasion lives in a Drama. They are the main character, are treated unjustly and everything they do is right. They don't waste time responding to mandible noises from pulp-chewing termites who are even less than an annoyance......
A very telling answer. In this case the question was: Why does the left always attack people without getting the facts then having to walk it back even when the person being attacked was 16 year old caight on video doing nothing but wearing a MAGA Hat:



A)"Because we are desperate to get get Trump out of office"

And they can't help themselves. They can't close their mouths

I have a theory. The Left lives in cloud cuckoo land. They believe in Socialism, where everybody is taken cared of by the state. It does not work, never worked before and never will work.

They have lost their traditional Christian faith, where God will take care of you, either here on earth on later in the hereafter. So they substitute God with an all powerful state who will take care of you.

This is the foundation of their fantasies. It soon spreads to other areas. Those who tell them the truth must be the devil. During the Cold War, they wanted to believe that it is possible and the USSR led the way. So, America, being leader of the free world, must be the devil that stood in the way of this utopia, this "heaven on earth" (Marxist Moses Hess' words).

The USSR is gone, but their "religion" remains. America is still the devil for having giving them their biggest setback. They will disregard all evidence to the contrary to continue their fantasy. We by defeating the USSR. Over here, we have Sertorio who sympathises with dictators like Xi and Putin. He is absolutely convinced that these thugs are better than Trump. To believe otherwise would be to abandon their faith.

It is too painful.
Protest is a constitutional right in the US.

And "attack" is not really an appropriate word to describe someone yelling at someone else.

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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by neverfail » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:40 pm

cassowary wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:45 am
I have a theory. The Left lives in cloud cuckoo land. They believe in Socialism, where everybody is taken cared of by the state. It does not work, never worked before and never will work.
Your first fallacy is to presume that the Democrats Party of the United States is "left wing" - as in left wing Marxist-Leninist. As far as I am concerned; as one half of the two party duopoly of political power over there there is absolutely no idealogocal difference between the Democrats and Republicans - only some occasional differences in policy.

I have made a Google enquiry on the topic: Have some city mayors in the United States ordered police to stand aside and permit rioting? . The responses I got make no mention of this but repeatedly note instances of police brutality.
Typical was this Wikipedia assessment:

The protests spread to over 2,000 cities and towns in all 50 states[4] and all 5 permanently-inhabited territories,[5][6][7][8][9] as well as in over 60 other countries, with demonstrators supporting those seeking justice for Floyd and the wider Black Lives Matter movement, and speaking out against police brutality. Many cities have seen continuous protests since Floyd's killing; New York City had seen 21 consecutive days of protests as of June 17, 2020.[10] The vast majority of demonstrations have been peaceful, but some large cities saw large scale rioting, looting, and burning of businesses and police cars.[11][12][13] There were also many instances of police brutality.[14] The wave of protests and unrest has been compared to the long, hot summer of 1967 and the King assassination riots, both of which saw riots in over a hundred cities across the United States.[15]

In black ghettos throughout the United States I believe that police are almost universally regarded as "the enemy" - not as upholders of justice. Consequently, police tactics, even their mere presence, can be counterproductive in that it inflames yet more fury among protestors. . As before the 1968 riots the rage has been building up in that quarter for decades and with the killing of George Floyd as trigger has finally boiled over.

Nothing to do with socialism at all.

If you are sincere about what you publish Cassowary then beware: because it is you who are living in cloud cuckoo land advocating a lie.

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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by dagbay » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:01 am

neverfail wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:40 pm
cassowary wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:45 am
I have a theory. The Left lives in cloud cuckoo land. They believe in Socialism, where everybody is taken cared of by the state. It does not work, never worked before and never will work.
Your first fallacy is to presume that the Democrats Party of the United States is "left wing" - as in left wing Marxist-Leninist. As far as I am concerned; as one half of the two party duopoly of political power over there there is absolutely no idealogocal difference between the Democrats and Republicans - only some occasional differences in policy.

I have made a Google enquiry on the topic: Have some city mayors in the United States ordered police to stand aside and permit rioting? . The responses I got make no mention of this but repeatedly note instances of police brutality.
Typical was this Wikipedia assessment:

The protests spread to over 2,000 cities and towns in all 50 states[4] and all 5 permanently-inhabited territories,[5][6][7][8][9] as well as in over 60 other countries, with demonstrators supporting those seeking justice for Floyd and the wider Black Lives Matter movement, and speaking out against police brutality. Many cities have seen continuous protests since Floyd's killing; New York City had seen 21 consecutive days of protests as of June 17, 2020.[10] The vast majority of demonstrations have been peaceful, but some large cities saw large scale rioting, looting, and burning of businesses and police cars.[11][12][13] There were also many instances of police brutality.[14] The wave of protests and unrest has been compared to the long, hot summer of 1967 and the King assassination riots, both of which saw riots in over a hundred cities across the United States.[15]

In black ghettos throughout the United States I believe that police are almost universally regarded as "the enemy" - not as upholders of justice. Consequently, police tactics, even their mere presence, can be counterproductive in that it inflames yet more fury among protestors. . As before the 1968 riots the rage has been building up in that quarter for decades and with the killing of George Floyd as trigger has finally boiled over.

Nothing to do with socialism at all.

If you are sincere about what you publish Cassowary then beware: because it is you who are living in cloud cuckoo land advocating a lie.
NF, beware of getting your information from Google and Wikipedia as well as many of their peer sources. It is obvious from here that they are actively pulling the progressive line. Blatantly shutting down any opposition to their narrative. These sources tell twisted truths in many cases and definitely take sides. A telatell sign is when you find no opposing view from any major source. It doesn't mean that everyone agrees on the issue - that is always an unlikely possibility in politics and history.
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Re: Why do Democrats defend disorder?

Post by Milo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:44 am

dagbay wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:01 am
neverfail wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:40 pm
cassowary wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:45 am
I have a theory. The Left lives in cloud cuckoo land. They believe in Socialism, where everybody is taken cared of by the state. It does not work, never worked before and never will work.
Your first fallacy is to presume that the Democrats Party of the United States is "left wing" - as in left wing Marxist-Leninist. As far as I am concerned; as one half of the two party duopoly of political power over there there is absolutely no idealogocal difference between the Democrats and Republicans - only some occasional differences in policy.

I have made a Google enquiry on the topic: Have some city mayors in the United States ordered police to stand aside and permit rioting? . The responses I got make no mention of this but repeatedly note instances of police brutality.
Typical was this Wikipedia assessment:

The protests spread to over 2,000 cities and towns in all 50 states[4] and all 5 permanently-inhabited territories,[5][6][7][8][9] as well as in over 60 other countries, with demonstrators supporting those seeking justice for Floyd and the wider Black Lives Matter movement, and speaking out against police brutality. Many cities have seen continuous protests since Floyd's killing; New York City had seen 21 consecutive days of protests as of June 17, 2020.[10] The vast majority of demonstrations have been peaceful, but some large cities saw large scale rioting, looting, and burning of businesses and police cars.[11][12][13] There were also many instances of police brutality.[14] The wave of protests and unrest has been compared to the long, hot summer of 1967 and the King assassination riots, both of which saw riots in over a hundred cities across the United States.[15]

In black ghettos throughout the United States I believe that police are almost universally regarded as "the enemy" - not as upholders of justice. Consequently, police tactics, even their mere presence, can be counterproductive in that it inflames yet more fury among protestors. . As before the 1968 riots the rage has been building up in that quarter for decades and with the killing of George Floyd as trigger has finally boiled over.

Nothing to do with socialism at all.

If you are sincere about what you publish Cassowary then beware: because it is you who are living in cloud cuckoo land advocating a lie.
NF, beware of getting your information from Google and Wikipedia as well as many of their peer sources. It is obvious from here that they are actively pulling the progressive line. Blatantly shutting down any opposition to their narrative. These sources tell twisted truths in many cases and definitely take sides. A telatell sign is when you find no opposing view from any major source. It doesn't mean that everyone agrees on the issue - that is always an unlikely possibility in politics and history.
OK, so what SPECIFICALLY is "twisted" above?

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