Democracy is very fragile - or - How a trio of junior congresswoman took over congress in under two months

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Re: Democracy is very fragile - or - How a trio of junior congresswoman took over congress in under two months

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:38 am

neverfail wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:41 pm
Strange! We have at least 3 Muslim MP's present in our Parliament here in Australia - yet none of them have yet uttered a single anti-Jewish (NOT anti-Semitic: while all Arabs are Semites, not all Jews are by any stretch of the imagination) syllable in public.

Are your pair in the USA, by any chance, politically suicidal?
Members of Congress are elected from single member districts. Among them, what is politically suicidal varies enormously. That's how you end up with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Steve King in the same chamber, when each of them habitually says insane things that would be instant death in the other's district.
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Re: Democracy is very fragile - or - How a trio of junior congresswoman took over congress in under two months

Post by Jim the Moron » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:48 am

dagbay wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:11 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:37 pm
dagbay wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:01 pm
Anyone following the USA news reports over the last two months cannot help but be amazed by the speed and voracious onslaught of the offensive led by those three women who effectively hijacked the Democrat Party. While many of their statements are outrageous, ridiculous and offensive they are not bridled by the Party elders. The two freshmen Muslims are making everyone desensitized to blatant anti-jewish and anti-Israel ideology of their native religion. The third congresswoman is spewing outlandish notions and policy platforms that no sane person would entertain if his/her life depended on them.

Notwithstanding how their extreme views are, it is of great concern is how quickly and how powerfully these three swept their party to unacceptable extras is alarming.
Yes, it's alarming. But, thinking of the near future - not to worry. These far-left mouthbreathers are setting up centrists for future electorial victories. Anti-Semites will always be with us. It's a European tradition, passed along to it's offspring. I'm optimistic that most Americans will reject it - hook-line-and sinker.
I wish you are right Jim, but not quite sure that in the age of "groupthink" and controlled (not to say rewritten) delivery of informattion by the major like minded big tech your prediction will hold. Back on the old forum I expressed similar concerns about western Europe - so far slow to happen but right on course.
In support of dagbay's views:

"To Understand The American Left's Anti-Semitism, Look To Europe"
http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/14/pro ... sm-europe/

". . . it's clear that 'anti-Zionist' antagonism is fueled by Jew-hatred, not the reverse."

Can anyone recall, not that many years ago, when support for Israel centered with the Democrats?

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Re: Democracy is very fragile - or - How a trio of junior congresswoman took over congress in under two months

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:54 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:48 am
dagbay wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:11 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:37 pm
dagbay wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:01 pm
Anyone following the USA news reports over the last two months cannot help but be amazed by the speed and voracious onslaught of the offensive led by those three women who effectively hijacked the Democrat Party. While many of their statements are outrageous, ridiculous and offensive they are not bridled by the Party elders. The two freshmen Muslims are making everyone desensitized to blatant anti-jewish and anti-Israel ideology of their native religion. The third congresswoman is spewing outlandish notions and policy platforms that no sane person would entertain if his/her life depended on them.

Notwithstanding how their extreme views are, it is of great concern is how quickly and how powerfully these three swept their party to unacceptable extras is alarming.
Yes, it's alarming. But, thinking of the near future - not to worry. These far-left mouthbreathers are setting up centrists for future electorial victories. Anti-Semites will always be with us. It's a European tradition, passed along to it's offspring. I'm optimistic that most Americans will reject it - hook-line-and sinker.
I wish you are right Jim, but not quite sure that in the age of "groupthink" and controlled (not to say rewritten) delivery of informattion by the major like minded big tech your prediction will hold. Back on the old forum I expressed similar concerns about western Europe - so far slow to happen but right on course.
In support of dagbay's views:

"To Understand The American Left's Anti-Semitism, Look To Europe"
http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/14/pro ... sm-europe/

". . . it's clear that 'anti-Zionist' antagonism is fueled by Jew-hatred, not the reverse."
An interesting article. I can only imagine that Belén Sisa had a rather awkward conversation with her boss after saying that.
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:48 am
Can anyone recall, not that many years ago, when support for Israel centered with the Democrats?
Indeed, it was not so long ago that Joe Lieberman was their nominee for vice president.
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Re: Democracy is very fragile - or - How a trio of junior congresswoman took over congress in under two months

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Re: Democracy is very fragile - or - How a trio of junior congresswoman took over congress in under two months

Post by neverfail » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:41 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:38 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:41 pm
Strange! We have at least 3 Muslim MP's present in our Parliament here in Australia - yet none of them have yet uttered a single anti-Jewish (NOT anti-Semitic: while all Arabs are Semites, not all Jews are by any stretch of the imagination) syllable in public.

Are your pair in the USA, by any chance, politically suicidal?
Members of Congress are elected from single member districts. Among them, what is politically suicidal varies enormously. That's how you end up with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Steve King in the same chamber, when each of them habitually says insane things that would be instant death in the other's district.

So, they are playing up to their constituents then?

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Re: Democracy is very fragile - or - How a trio of junior congresswoman took over congress in under two months

Post by dagbay » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:16 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:54 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:48 am
dagbay wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:11 pm
Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:37 pm
dagbay wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:01 pm
Anyone following the USA news reports over the last two months cannot help but be amazed by the speed and voracious onslaught of the offensive led by those three women who effectively hijacked the Democrat Party. While many of their statements are outrageous, ridiculous and offensive they are not bridled by the Party elders. The two freshmen Muslims are making everyone desensitized to blatant anti-jewish and anti-Israel ideology of their native religion. The third congresswoman is spewing outlandish notions and policy platforms that no sane person would entertain if his/her life depended on them.

Notwithstanding how their extreme views are, it is of great concern is how quickly and how powerfully these three swept their party to unacceptable extras is alarming.
Yes, it's alarming. But, thinking of the near future - not to worry. These far-left mouthbreathers are setting up centrists for future electorial victories. Anti-Semites will always be with us. It's a European tradition, passed along to it's offspring. I'm optimistic that most Americans will reject it - hook-line-and sinker.
I wish you are right Jim, but not quite sure that in the age of "groupthink" and controlled (not to say rewritten) delivery of informattion by the major like minded big tech your prediction will hold. Back on the old forum I expressed similar concerns about western Europe - so far slow to happen but right on course.
In support of dagbay's views:

"To Understand The American Left's Anti-Semitism, Look To Europe"
http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/14/pro ... sm-europe/

". . . it's clear that 'anti-Zionist' antagonism is fueled by Jew-hatred, not the reverse."
An interesting article. I can only imagine that Belén Sisa had a rather awkward conversation with her boss after saying that.
Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:48 am
Can anyone recall, not that many years ago, when support for Israel centered with the Democrats?
Indeed, it was not so long ago that Joe Lieberman was their nominee for vice president.
That was also when Israel still had a lot of socialist sub structure in its social organization and politics. In the preceeding 24 years starting after the election of the Likud right wing party in 1976 the social leaning shifted from entrenched socialist liberal concepts (nationalised factories employing people for employing people and not for profit, socialist communal farms kibbutzim etc as well as the will to try to negotiate with the PLO and entertain withdraws from land for peace) to the right wing capitalist approach (privatization, lower government involvement and a change in peace concept peace for land. (Arabs have a lot of land to give and agreement with Israel can give them peace cf. Jordan).
Now 18 yeas after Liberman's VP bid. Israel is fully disillusioned (there are still many dreamers) most do not trust any Arab leaders and have learned to have guarded trust in individuals particularly when both sides stand to achieve similar gains. Most Israelis now are right of center. That is on the opposite side of the political spectrum vs. American Jews. Clearly this puts the Democrats and liberals at odds with israel and the formally subdued anti-jewish and anti-Israel sentiment (which is the result of the first) is bubbling to the surface.
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Re: Democracy is very fragile - or - How a trio of junior congresswoman took over congress in under two months

Post by neverfail » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:46 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:48 am
In support of dagbay's views:

"To Understand The American Left's Anti-Semitism, Look To Europe"
http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/14/pro ... sm-europe/

". . . it's clear that 'anti-Zionist' antagonism is fueled by Jew-hatred, not the reverse."
Thanks Jim.
http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/14/pro ... sm-europe/

In Germany this week, a regional court ruled that the 2014 firebombing of Bergisch Synagogue in Wuppertal, while a criminal act of arson, was not an anti-Semitic incident. The judge had upheld a lower court ruling deemed that the three Palestinian immigrants who had thrown Molotov cocktails at the synagogue were merely calling “attention to the Gaza conflict.” Because nothing shows concern for the Middle East peace process like trying to burn down a Jewish house of worship with homemade incendiary devices.

The three men, who had admitted to the authorities that they were motivated by hatred of Israel, were ultimately given suspended sentences, since “no anti-Semitic motivation could be identified.” Now, it’s doubtful that many, or any, of the congregants at the Bergisch Synagogue were Israelis. It’s unlikely the would-be arsonists took a poll of the congregants’ views on the Jewish state. It is unknown whether the bomb-throwers were merely critics of Likud’s policies, or whether they subscribed to Hamas’ view that “Jews”—not, “Israelis”—should be chased entirely from the ancestral homeland.
Speaking about being chased out of their ancestral homeland:

It was Jewish immigrant settlers who, only a couple of generations ago, chased the Palestinians out of THEIR ancestral homeland: so it would be understandable if Palestinians ever since has craved the vengeance of of doing the same to the Jewish Israelis. One bad turn deserves another!

In the case of the Jews of yore dwelling in Europe in bygone centuries; regardless of whether these lived in Germany, Poland, Russia or etc., these were dwelling on OTHER PEOPLE'S ancestral homelands, not their own. They must have been like tenant's dwelling in somebody else's home. When you live as a paying guest in someone else's home it pays to be on your best behaviour or else you may not be invited to stay.

I still sometimes wonder what the Jews of Europe did over the centuries to make themselves so deeply disliked that people there even wanted to kill them.

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Re: Democracy is very fragile - or - How a trio of junior congresswoman took over congress in under two months

Post by Jim the Moron » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:23 pm

"I still sometimes wonder what the Jews of Europe did over the centuries to make themselves so deeply disliked that people there even wanted to kill them." (neverfail)

This has been explained to you before . . .

Wherever Jews have resided, worked, and raised their families they have excelled in the arts and sciences. In some societies they have been welcomed and appreciated for their contributions. But it happens that in some societies (think especially Europe and the Middle East) they are envied for their accomplishments - to the extent that pogroms large (e.g. the Holocaust) and small are brought upon them.

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Re: Democracy is very fragile - or - How a trio of junior congresswoman took over congress in under two months

Post by neverfail » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:04 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:23 pm
"I still sometimes wonder what the Jews of Europe did over the centuries to make themselves so deeply disliked that people there even wanted to kill them." (neverfail)

This has been explained to you before . . .

Wherever Jews have resided, worked, and raised their families they have excelled in the arts and sciences. In some societies they have been welcomed and appreciated for their contributions. But it happens that in some societies (think especially Europe and the Middle East) they are envied for their accomplishments - to the extent that pogroms large (e.g. the Holocaust) and small are brought upon them.
I keep coming back to this because I am not satisfied with the explanation. It is far too bowdlerized for my liking; insinuating as it does that European Jewry were such an angelic bunch as to have been innocent of all possible wrongdoing and that the blame therefore rests exclusively on the shoulders of their gentile hosts.

I gave up believing in fairies when I was aged about 11 years and I don't believe in such fairy tales now.

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Re: Democracy is very fragile - or - How a trio of junior congresswoman took over congress in under two months

Post by Jim the Moron » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:27 am

neverfail wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:04 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:23 pm
"I still sometimes wonder what the Jews of Europe did over the centuries to make themselves so deeply disliked that people there even wanted to kill them." (neverfail)

This has been explained to you before . . .

Wherever Jews have resided, worked, and raised their families they have excelled in the arts and sciences. In some societies they have been welcomed and appreciated for their contributions. But it happens that in some societies (think especially Europe and the Middle East) they are envied for their accomplishments - to the extent that pogroms large (e.g. the Holocaust) and small are brought upon them.
I keep coming back to this because I am not satisfied with the explanation. It is far too bowdlerized for my liking; insinuating as it does that European Jewry were such an angelic bunch as to have been innocent of all possible wrongdoing and that the blame therefore rests exclusively on the shoulders of their gentile hosts.

I gave up believing in fairies when I was aged about 11 years and I don't believe in such fairy tales now.
Actually, you can find any number of websites devoted to the notion that Jews have behaved badly through history. Check them out.

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