Good sense from Gingrich on China

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Good sense from Gingrich on China

Post by neverfail » Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:34 pm

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/11/artic ... -on-china/

China remains what it has been for millennia, and most of America’s problems are not China’s fault but its own, former House speaker Newt Gingrich argues in his new book. Some rhetorical flourishes aside, the Republican elder statesman and Trump adviser rejects the ubiquitous American view that China is about to collapse under its own weight, or that China inevitably must become a Western-style democracy, or that the Chinese people are waiting for a wave of America’s hand to overthrow their evil communist overlords, and so forth.

He contrasts “the Western tradition of freedom under law dating back at least 3,000 years with roots in Athens, Rome and Jerusalem” to “the Chinese tradition of order imposed by a centralized system, a pattern that goes back at least 3,500 years.” Implicitly, he acknowledges that China’s political system today reflects thousands of years of its history.

Rather than blame China for America’s problems, Gingrich offers a harsh critique of America’s failings and argues that “there are a lot of steps America must take that are a reflection of America’s failures. Some of the greatest failures and weaknesses in American can’t be blamed on China. Rather, we have to look at ourselves and our own mistakes and failures. The burden on us to modernize and reform our own system is enormous.”

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Re: Good sense from Gingrich on China

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Newt Gingrich, Representative (R-GA) and leader of the Republican Revolution of 1994,[90] resigned from the House after admitting in 1998 to having had an affair with a staffer while he was married to his second wife, and at the same time he was leading the impeachment of Bill Clinton for perjury regarding an affair with his intern Monica Lewinsky. (1998)[91][92]
The bloody hypocrite!

Much as I loathe this man for his apparent contempt for the institute of marriage, he shows himself to be a wiser head in his assessment of China than many of his American peers. His clear headedness does him credit.
He contrasts “the Western tradition of freedom under law dating back at least 3,000 years with roots in Athens, Rome and Jerusalem” to “the Chinese tradition of order imposed by a centralized system, a pattern that goes back at least 3,500 years.” Implicitly, he acknowledges that China’s political system today reflects thousands of years of its history.

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/11/artic ... -on-china/
Exactly what I have been saying for years. Yet there are those who still cling to the myth of "instant democracy" along with that of the inevitably of the transition of all autocratically ruled states into Western style democracies. Allow me to caution these romantic dupes that their belief in the inevitability of the triumph of liberal democracy runs lockstep with Karl Marx's vision of "progress" as manifest in workers' revolutionary upheaval bringing about the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Never presume that there is anything inevitable about the course of history.

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Re: Good sense from Gingrich on China

Post by Doc » Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:46 pm

neverfail wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:21 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_f ... ted_States

Newt Gingrich, Representative (R-GA) and leader of the Republican Revolution of 1994,[90] resigned from the House after admitting in 1998 to having had an affair with a staffer while he was married to his second wife, and at the same time he was leading the impeachment of Bill Clinton for perjury regarding an affair with his intern Monica Lewinsky. (1998)[91][92]
The bloody hypocrite!

Much as I loathe this man for his apparent contempt for the institute of marriage, he shows himself to be a wiser head in his assessment of China than many of his American peers. His clear headedness does him credit.
He contrasts “the Western tradition of freedom under law dating back at least 3,000 years with roots in Athens, Rome and Jerusalem” to “the Chinese tradition of order imposed by a centralized system, a pattern that goes back at least 3,500 years.” Implicitly, he acknowledges that China’s political system today reflects thousands of years of its history.

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/11/artic ... -on-china/
Exactly what I have been saying for years. Yet there are those who still cling to the myth of "instant democracy" along with that of the inevitably of the transition of all autocratically ruled states into Western style democracies. Allow me to caution these romantic dupes that their belief in the inevitability of the triumph of liberal democracy runs lockstep with Karl Marx's vision of "progress" as manifest in workers' revolutionary upheaval bringing about the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Never presume that there is anything inevitable about the course of history.
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Re: Good sense from Gingrich on China

Post by cassowary » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:00 pm

neverfail wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:34 pm
Rather, we have to look at ourselves and our own mistakes and failures. The burden on us to modernize and reform our own system is enormous.”
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Yes! Democracy must be reformed. The greatest weakness of the democracy is that they all acquire too much debt. Politicians like Sanders and Warren push Socialist policies of every increasing spending. This leads to high taxes and debt. This is the greatest threat to democracy. We need to, one, recognize this is a systemic flaw, two, come up with solutions.

I have proposed mine in my book.
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Re: Good sense from Gingrich on China

Post by neverfail » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:22 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:00 pm
neverfail wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:34 pm
Rather, we have to look at ourselves and our own mistakes and failures. The burden on us to modernize and reform our own system is enormous.”
Yes! Democracy must be reformed. The greatest weakness of the democracy is that they all acquire too much debt. Politicians like Sanders and Warren push Socialist policies of every increasing spending. This leads to high taxes and debt. This is the greatest threat to democracy. We need to, one, recognize this is a systemic flaw, two, come up with solutions.

I have proposed mine in my book.
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Goldman, quoting Gingrich, notes several reforms that he believes America must make but debt was not mentioned among the problems needing remedy.

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