'Why was there a civil war?' - more of Trump's wisdom.

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'Why was there a civil war?' - more of Trump's wisdom.

Post by neverfail » Tue May 02, 2017 4:17 am

:? (huh?)

(quote) Donald Trump has expressed confusion as to why the American civil war took place and claimed that President Andrew Jackson, who died 16 years before the war started, “was really angry” about the conflict.

In an interview published on Monday the US president also said Jackson, a slaveholder who led a relocation and extermination campaign against Native Americans, “had a big heart”.
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Re: 'Why was there a civil war?' - more of Trump's wisdom.

Post by Doc » Tue May 02, 2017 7:14 am

You bring up a great point NF The MSM lies and lies and lies.


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/331 ... trusts-the
Distortion of Trump's Civil War comment is reason few Americans trust the media

By Joe Concha, opinion contributor - 05/01/17 05:30 PM EDT
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There are many Americans who truly believe the media is the opposition party to the Trump administration.

If another example is needed to make that point, look no further than the shameful/shameless coverage of President Trump's Civil War controversy on Monday.

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First, a quick review: Trump sat down with the Washington Examiner's Selena Zito for an interview airing on Sirius XM on Monday afternoon.



At one point, the discussion turns to the Civil War, with the exact exchange looking like this after Zito broached Trump's recent visit to the Hermitage, the home of late President Andrew Jackson in Tennessee.

"I mean had Andrew Jackson been a little bit later [Jackson was the president from 1828-1837 while the Civil War began in 1861], you wouldn't have had the Civil War. He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart," Trump said. "He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War, he said, 'there's no reason for this.'

"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why?" Trump asked. "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"

Now, one can easily argue against Trump's point that Jackson, a slave owner, could have somehow been able to convince the South to end slavery through negotiation instead of a war.

But as usual, the media's eyes are bigger than its stomach when it comes to twisting narratives around Trump with a reflex to the extreme negative.

As a result, we get these kind of headlines:

USA Today: Note to President Trump: Andrew Jackson wasn't alive for the Civil War.

Salon: Donald Trump doesn't understand why the Civil War couldn't have been worked out.

Slate: Trump wishes a slaveholder could've come in and resolved the whole civil war thing before it started.

CNN: Donald Trump just gave two incredibly bizarre (and fact-free) interviews.

Twitter's "Moments" description: Trump proposes an alternate history where Civil War was avoided.

One part of Trump's "alternate history" that is being mocked the most is the fact that Jackson died in 1845 and the war didn't begin until 1861. Therefore, how could Jackson be "really angry" about a war that was 16 years away?

But as historians will tell you, there had been perpetual tension between the North and South over slavery since the nation was founded in 1776. The Civil War just didn't happen overnight. Several compromises were made on the way to 1861, most notably the Missouri Compromise in 1820 and The Compromise of 1850.

Per the online Civil War Academy:

"Blood was on the minds of many of the citizens of America over the entire slave issue. On March 3rd, 1820, both Missouri and the free state of Maine were admitted into the Union. The balance was kept with one being free and one being slave. The writing was on of the wall with the inevitability of the war."

Context is everything. Without it, it's a lie.
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Re: 'Why was there a civil war?' - more of Trump's wisdom.

Post by SteveFoerster » Tue May 02, 2017 11:30 am

Doc wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 7:14 am
"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why?" Trump asked. "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"
I'll readily agree that the mainstream media delights in making Trump look like a moron. The problem is that he really does say a lot of things that are pretty stupid, and this bit is an example.
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Re: 'Why was there a civil war?' - more of Trump's wisdom.

Post by Doc » Tue May 02, 2017 12:16 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 11:30 am
Doc wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 7:14 am
"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why?" Trump asked. "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"
I'll readily agree that the mainstream media delights in making Trump look like a moron. The problem is that he really does say a lot of things that are pretty stupid, and this bit is an example.
Which the author covered.
Now, one can easily argue against Trump's point that Jackson, a slave owner, could have somehow been able to convince the South to end slavery through negotiation instead of a war.
Which isn't really an argument due to alternate histories not being arguments. Reagan for example was the last cold warrior president and he negotiated and signed into law the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty.

However much the MSM wants to make Trump look like a "moron" is how much less credibility the MSM has. This goes all the way back to Reagan The MSM did everything they could to make Reagan look like a "moron" as well. The difference between now and then is that the Democrats are now the political arm of the MSM.
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Re: 'Why was there a civil war?' - more of Trump's wisdom.

Post by SteveFoerster » Tue May 02, 2017 12:29 pm

I mean the part where Trump makes it sound like people don't ask why the Civil War happened. "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War?" Uh, yeah they do ask that question. Like, all the time.
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Re: 'Why was there a civil war?' - more of Trump's wisdom.

Post by Doc » Tue May 02, 2017 12:39 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 12:29 pm
I mean the part where Trump makes it sound like people don't ask why the Civil War happened. "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War?" Uh, yeah they do ask that question. Like, all the time.
No not really. They assume it was about slavery for the most part, and leave it at that. If someone doesn't know that answer they didn't go to school in the US.
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Re: 'Why was there a civil war?' - more of Trump's wisdom.

Post by neverfail » Wed May 03, 2017 4:54 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 11:30 am
Doc wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 7:14 am
"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why?" Trump asked. "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"
I'll readily agree that the mainstream media delights in making Trump look like a moron. The problem is that he really does say a lot of things that are pretty stupid, and this bit is an example.
You hit the nail on the head there Steve.

What poor doc does not seem to understand is that if any high public official wants to make a fool of himself; the media are not going to be nice guys and cover up for him. They will publicise it as news.

Not just in the USA but anywhere where there is a free press.

Face facts! You presently have incumbent the least articulate, least media savvy POTUS I can recall.

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Re: 'Why was there a civil war?' - more of Trump's wisdom.

Post by Doc » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:13 pm

neverfail wrote:
Wed May 03, 2017 4:54 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 11:30 am
Doc wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 7:14 am
"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why?" Trump asked. "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"
I'll readily agree that the mainstream media delights in making Trump look like a moron. The problem is that he really does say a lot of things that are pretty stupid, and this bit is an example.
You hit the nail on the head there Steve.

What poor doc
How condescending of you.
does not seem to understand is that if any high public official wants to make a fool of himself; the media are not going to be nice guys and cover up for him. They will publicise it as news.

Not just in the USA but anywhere where there is a free press.

Face facts! You presently have incumbent the least articulate, least media savvy POTUS I can recall.
I think Trump is a hell of a lot smarter than you or the MSM. After all he is the greatest showman



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Re: 'Why was there a civil war?' - more of Trump's wisdom.

Post by neverfail » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:35 am

Doc wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:13 pm


I think Trump is a hell of a lot smarter than you or the MSM. After all he is the greatest showman



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No doc. You do not need to be smart to impress an audience. You only need to be able to 'tune in" to their emotions. In Trump's case I believe he was helped because he shares the average level of intelligence of his audiences. :)

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Re: 'Why was there a civil war?' - more of Trump's wisdom.

Post by Doc » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:53 am

neverfail wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:35 am
Doc wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:13 pm


I think Trump is a hell of a lot smarter than you or the MSM. After all he is the greatest showman



:lol:
No doc. You do not need to be smart to impress an audience. You only need to be able to 'tune in" to their emotions. In Trump's case I believe he was helped because he shares the average level of intelligence of his audiences. :)
His IQ is actually purported to be quite high. He beat 16 republicans in the primaries Hillary Clinton in the general election. Obama's shadow government. The deep state The MSM and the Never-Trumpsters in the Republican party. Is there anyone "smarter" that he needs to beat? :lol:
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