North America 4,000 years ago

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North America 4,000 years ago

Post by Jim the Moron » Thu May 25, 2017 7:11 am

"Watch These 4,000 Year Old First Nations Skeletons Come Back To Life"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinaki ... 9184454955

"If you search for images of archaeological faces, you see mostly European ones, with some Middle Eastern and African people. In shorter supply are the reconstructions of people of Asian and indigenous American descent."

Neat project.

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Re: North America 4,000 years ago

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Sun May 28, 2017 8:56 am

We have to be careful. We're in an age where everything we touch with wonder can be called cultural appropriation - so let's let the Catholic Church off the hook for Galileo Galilei for Christ's sake.....XD........
Let's try this modelling exercise. Let's envision a world in a parallel universe somewhere let's say, where I'm right.........

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Re: North America 4,000 years ago

Post by SteveFoerster » Sun May 28, 2017 12:20 pm

lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Sun May 28, 2017 8:56 am
We have to be careful. We're in an age where everything we touch with wonder can be called cultural appropriation - so let's let the Catholic Church off the hook for Galileo Galilei for Christ's sake.....XD........
If you read the article, you'll note that the tribe involved participated.

But I certainly agree that the Catholic Church should be damned for its behaviour today rather than from centuries ago.
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Re: North America 4,000 years ago

Post by neverfail » Sun May 28, 2017 5:23 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun May 28, 2017 12:20 pm
lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Sun May 28, 2017 8:56 am
We have to be careful. We're in an age where everything we touch with wonder can be called cultural appropriation - so let's let the Catholic Church off the hook for Galileo Galilei for Christ's sake.....XD........
If you read the article, you'll note that the tribe involved participated.

But I certainly agree that the Catholic Church should be damned for its behaviour today rather than from centuries ago.
Well, I am of the opinion that the Catholic Church of today should be lauded for its graces rather than damned for its sins.

Even if you are not now a believer in the Holy Trinity I can see that you are heir to a characteristically protestant set of prejudices that should have no place in our own ecumenical era.

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Re: North America 4,000 years ago

Post by SteveFoerster » Sun May 28, 2017 7:54 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sun May 28, 2017 5:23 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun May 28, 2017 12:20 pm
lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Sun May 28, 2017 8:56 am
We have to be careful. We're in an age where everything we touch with wonder can be called cultural appropriation - so let's let the Catholic Church off the hook for Galileo Galilei for Christ's sake.....XD........
If you read the article, you'll note that the tribe involved participated.

But I certainly agree that the Catholic Church should be damned for its behaviour today rather than from centuries ago.
Well, I am of the opinion that the Catholic Church of today should be lauded for its graces rather than damned for its sins.

Even if you are not now a believer in the Holy Trinity I can see that you are heir to a characteristically protestant set of prejudices that should have no place in our own ecumenical era.
Not at all. There are plenty of protestants that are just as comfortable with hypocrisy as those in the Catholic Church hierarchy are.
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Re: North America 4,000 years ago

Post by neverfail » Mon May 29, 2017 3:15 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun May 28, 2017 7:54 pm
neverfail wrote:
Sun May 28, 2017 5:23 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Sun May 28, 2017 12:20 pm
lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Sun May 28, 2017 8:56 am
We have to be careful. We're in an age where everything we touch with wonder can be called cultural appropriation - so let's let the Catholic Church off the hook for Galileo Galilei for Christ's sake.....XD........
If you read the article, you'll note that the tribe involved participated.

But I certainly agree that the Catholic Church should be damned for its behaviour today rather than from centuries ago.
Well, I am of the opinion that the Catholic Church of today should be lauded for its graces rather than damned for its sins.

Even if you are not now a believer in the Holy Trinity I can see that you are heir to a characteristically protestant set of prejudices that should have no place in our own ecumenical era.
Not at all. There are plenty of protestants that are just as comfortable with hypocrisy as those in the Catholic Church hierarchy are.
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Re: North America 4,000 years ago

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Mon May 29, 2017 10:22 am

Or let's bring this thread closer to OP, at least where I was going with my response to topic.......

The place where Rebecca Tuval makes the blasphemous observation that if gender is fluid and mutable, by what metric can we say that race doesn't share a similar quality:
Former NAACP chapter head Rachel Dolezal's attempted transition from the white to the black race occasioned heated controversy. Her story gained notoriety at the same time that Caitlyn Jenner graced the cover of Vanity Fair, signaling a growing acceptance of transgender identity. Yet criticisms of Dolezal for misrepresenting her birth race indicate a widespread social perception that it is neither possible nor acceptable to change one's race in the way it might be to change one's sex. Considerations that support transgenderism seem to apply equally to transracialism. Although Dolezal herself may or may not represent a genuine case of a transracial person, her story and the public reaction to it serve helpful illustrative purposes.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 12327/full

Response to the resultant firestorm:
Many of us have watched in astonishment and horror over the last few years as identity politics has been used as a cudgel to disappear the material condition and facticity of the world, be it social or scientific. Instead of nurturing dialogue with one’s interlocutor, a climate of taking irrational, unscientific, and reactionary dogma has been championed by the academy and the general media. And anyone who has dared to question, critique, or even—as in the case of Tuvel—subject it to rigorous logical scrutiny in an effort to expand its application, has been met with shaming at best and abuse at worst. This alarming call for the silencing of an academic who made a good faith argument has left little room for doubt that the proponents of this dogma will brook no questioning of it. We believe that the signatories to the Hypatia letter have engaged in a call for de facto censorship and deep intellectual dishonesty to intimidate not just Tuvel, but anyone else who might consider offering a contrary opinion or perspective.
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/an- ... ontroversy

Tuval is a radical feminist. Her seemingly innocent and logically consistent inquiry leads to her apparent disembowelment by other radical feminists. Partial list of charges:
1. It uses vocabulary and frameworks not recognized, accepted, or adopted by the conventions of the relevant subfields; for example, the author uses the language of “transgenderism” and engages in deadnaming a trans woman;
2. It mischaracterizes various theories and practices relating to religious identity and conversion; for example, the author gives an off-hand example about conversion to Judaism;
3. It misrepresents leading accounts of belonging to a racial group; for example, the author incorrectly cites Charles Mills as a defender of voluntary racial identification;
4. It fails to seek out and sufficiently engage with scholarly work by those who are most vulnerable to the intersection of racial and gender oppressions (women of color) in its discussion of “transracialism”. We endorse Hypatia's stated commitment to "actively reflect and engage the diversity within feminism, the diverse experiences and situations of women, and the diverse forms that gender takes around the globe," and we find that this submission was published without being held to that commitment.
In the OP, members of the Shíshálh nation invited archeologists into an area which many Shíshálh consider sacred along with members of other various aboriginal nations and those that self-identify as aboriginal people......and many, many more that consider the Salish Sea sacred territory on historic and spiritual grounds, or simply on principle. These factions may deem violation of sacred burial sites unacceptable on any grounds, and will make that opinion luridly known. Being a member of the proper ethnic identity in question to make a decision will not save you from the current post-modern, post-structual mayhem consuming the social and political environment......

whew lad, that's all I wanted to say....XD.........
Let's try this modelling exercise. Let's envision a world in a parallel universe somewhere let's say, where I'm right.........

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Re: North America 4,000 years ago

Post by Doc » Mon May 29, 2017 9:10 pm

IT is my opinion (and others as far as I know) that Native Americans may have first settled Europe thousands of years ago :D

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Re: more ancient than thou?

Post by neverfail » Tue May 30, 2017 1:51 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlemen ... e_Americas

(quote) Available scientific evidence indicates that modern humans emerged from Africa over 100,000 years ago, yet did not arrive in the Americas until less than 20,000 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlemen ... e_Americas

Only 20,000 years ago? Very recent! The ancestors of our Australian aboriginals are now proven to have been here in Australia over 50,000 years ago.

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/05/aust ... ccupation/

Though to let the American Indians off the hook from gratuitous accusations of being slack colonisers ; the arrival of the Aboriginals in Australia was assisted, rather than impeded, by the most recent Ice Age.

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Re: North America 4,000 years ago

Post by Jim the Moron » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:45 am

Cultural appropriation run amok . . .

Solar energy for Navajo family
http://www.navajonationcouncil.org/pres ... family.pdf

Outrageous. Imagine. Navajos appropriating what is traditional white greenie culture . . .

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