This barbaric form of medieval justice actually worked

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Re: This barbaric form of medieval justice actually worked

Post by Jim the Moron » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:11 am

Hmmm. An inordinate number of captured ISIS operatives are claiming to have only been cooks for the barbarians. Put them to the test. String them up. Those that survive 20 minutes of dangling on the gallows will have proven their innocence.

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Re: This barbaric form of medieval justice actually worked

Post by cassowary » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:21 am

Or do what the Byzantines used to do. Blind them. It is more humane than taking a human life. Keeping them in Gitmo for life is costly for taxpayers. A blind person can do no harm. He can't even be a suicide bomber. He is also a burden for his Isis buddies. Death does not deter them because they want martyrdom. But a life of darkness will.

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Re: This barbaric form of medieval justice actually worked

Post by SteveFoerster » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:26 am

cassowary wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:21 am
Or do what the Byzantines used to do. Blind them. It is more humane than taking a human life. Keeping them in Gitmo for life is costly for taxpayers. A blind person can do no harm. He can't even be a suicide bomber. He is also a burden for his Isis buddies. Death does not deter them because they want martyrdom. But a life of darkness will.
In addition to being so barbaric as to cede any possible moral high ground, you are also vastly underestimating the capabilities of the blind here.
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Re: This barbaric form of medieval justice actually worked

Post by cassowary » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:48 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:26 am
cassowary wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:21 am
Or do what the Byzantines used to do. Blind them. It is more humane than taking a human life. Keeping them in Gitmo for life is costly for taxpayers. A blind person can do no harm. He can't even be a suicide bomber. He is also a burden for his Isis buddies. Death does not deter them because they want martyrdom. But a life of darkness will.
In addition to being so barbaric as to cede any possible moral high ground, you are also vastly underestimating the capabilities of the blind here.
A blind man cannot shoot accurately. So he cannot fight. Suicide bomber? He might end up killing fellow Muslims. Moral high ground? Why is this any worse than using drones to kill people? At least he is alive.

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Re: This barbaric form of medieval justice actually worked

Post by SteveFoerster » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:37 pm

cassowary wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:48 pm
SteveFoerster wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:26 am
cassowary wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:21 am
Or do what the Byzantines used to do. Blind them. It is more humane than taking a human life. Keeping them in Gitmo for life is costly for taxpayers. A blind person can do no harm. He can't even be a suicide bomber. He is also a burden for his Isis buddies. Death does not deter them because they want martyrdom. But a life of darkness will.
In addition to being so barbaric as to cede any possible moral high ground, you are also vastly underestimating the capabilities of the blind here.
A blind man cannot shoot accurately. So he cannot fight. Suicide bomber? He might end up killing fellow Muslims. Moral high ground? Why is this any worse than using drones to kill people? At least he is alive.
A blind suicide bomber knows still knows where a crowded market is, and even if he's in an unfamiliar location he can be guided in by radio by sighted accomplices.

And speaking of drones, you make it sound like killing people with them is less barbaric simply because it uses advanced technology, when nothing could be further from the truth.
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Re: This barbaric form of medieval justice actually worked

Post by cassowary » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:14 am

Ok. You are right about the blind suicide bomber. He can still be guided by radio to walk into a crowd of infidels. Security forces will need to be suspicious of blind people wearing audio devices.

Drones?
And that was exactly my point about the drones. Drones kill, maim and of course occasionally blind people, some no doubt innocent. Since blinding an ISIS fighter is no worse than 'droning', why not do it? Or do you want to ban drones because it can sometimes cause blindness if the eyes are hit by shrapnel?

War is barbaric but we can't avoid it.

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Re: This barbaric form of medieval justice actually worked

Post by SteveFoerster » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:50 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:14 am
Ok. You are right about the blind suicide bomber. He can still be guided by radio to walk into a crowd of infidels. Security forces will need to be suspicious of blind people wearing audio devices.

Drones?
And that was exactly my point about the drones. Drones kill, maim and of course occasionally blind people, some no doubt innocent. Since blinding an ISIS fighter is no worse than 'droning', why not do it? Or do you want to ban drones because it can sometimes cause blindness if the eyes are hit by shrapnel?

War is barbaric but we can't avoid it.
If it can't be avoided, then one should fight. But that's so far from reality that it's not even worth mentioning. The bottom line is that U.S. policymakers seek war out with abandon. There's no reason they should be in the Middle East at all. It's not promoting positive change in the region, and it sure as hell isn't in the interest of everyday Americans. It's a means to funnel obscene amounts of tax dollars to politically connected defense contractors -- nothing more.
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Re: This barbaric form of medieval justice actually worked

Post by cassowary » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:41 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:50 am
cassowary wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:14 am
Ok. You are right about the blind suicide bomber. He can still be guided by radio to walk into a crowd of infidels. Security forces will need to be suspicious of blind people wearing audio devices.

Drones?
And that was exactly my point about the drones. Drones kill, maim and of course occasionally blind people, some no doubt innocent. Since blinding an ISIS fighter is no worse than 'droning', why not do it? Or do you want to ban drones because it can sometimes cause blindness if the eyes are hit by shrapnel?

War is barbaric but we can't avoid it.
If it can't be avoided, then one should fight. But that's so far from reality that it's not even worth mentioning. The bottom line is that U.S. policymakers seek war out with abandon. There's no reason they should be in the Middle East at all. It's not promoting positive change in the region, and it sure as hell isn't in the interest of everyday Americans. It's a means to funnel obscene amounts of tax dollars to politically connected defense contractors -- nothing more.
That's nonsense. Bush acted from faulty intelligence. That's all. The region produces oil. Any disruption caused by a madman armed with nukes will cause a world depression. The US has appointed itself as the world policeman. So it has to do its job. The rest of us should be grateful even though it sometimes does a bad job.

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Here is someone who appreciate American policing.

Post by cassowary » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:08 pm

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/m ... iticise-it.

Lee Kuan Yew has always believed the US provided stability and prosperity in Asia.

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