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Jim the Moron
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MacArthur

Post by Jim the Moron » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:11 pm

Years ago I read Manchester's "American Caesar," an entertaining bio of Douglas MacArthur. There are no doubt other good bios out there. Now we have this book dealing with the controversial Truman/MacArthur interactions.

"The General vs.the President"
https://www.asiasentinel.com/book-revie ... president/

"I should have fired the son of a bitch a long time ago." (Truman)

". . . Washington was filled with cowards, vacillating politicians and incompetents." (MacArthur's views - still ring true today)

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Re: MacArthur

Post by Booklady » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:23 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:11 pm
Years ago I read Manchester's "American Caesar," an entertaining bio of Douglas MacArthur. There are no doubt other good bios out there. Now we have this book dealing with the controversial Truman/MacArthur interactions.

"The General vs.the President"
https://www.asiasentinel.com/book-revie ... president/

"I should have fired the son of a bitch a long time ago." (Truman)

". . . Washington was filled with cowards, vacillating politicians and incompetents." (MacArthur's views - still ring true today)
That's pretty much what Patton said as well. :shock: They were both right.
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Re: MacArthur

Post by neverfail » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:56 pm

Jim the Moron wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:11 pm
Years ago I read Manchester's "American Caesar," an entertaining bio of Douglas MacArthur. There are no doubt other good bios out there. Now we have this book dealing with the controversial Truman/MacArthur interactions.

"The General vs.the President"
https://www.asiasentinel.com/book-revie ... president/

"I should have fired the son of a bitch a long time ago." (Truman)

". . . Washington was filled with cowards, vacillating politicians and incompetents." (MacArthur's views - still ring true today)
Dropping atomic bombs on China, then ally of the USSR, would have invited retaliation from Josef Stalin - who never hesitated to put Russian lives in jeopardy if his thought there was something to gain by so doing.

Washington, until darn old Trump came along, had chief executives who as a rule used their heads in deciding national (and international) policy. In contrast to the likes of MacArthur and Patton who led with their balls.

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Re: MacArthur

Post by Booklady » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:30 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:56 pm
Washington, until darn old Trump came along, had chief executives who as a rule used their heads in deciding national (and international) policy.



:lol: :lol: :lol: No, no, no. They didn't use their heads, perhaps we would not be in this mess if some of them had. They were mainly owned by big, deep pockets, and it was their interests whose policies were put forward. That's how we have the Deep State. That's politics. Take the latest policy folly, Obamacare. It's not free, nor is it one payer, it's an insurance scam perpetrated on the middle class. Washington Post: Thanks to Jonathan Gruber for revealing Obamacare deception
Gruber explains that the Obama administration passed the so-called “Cadillac tax” on high-value employer health plans “by mislabeling it, calling it a tax on insurance plans rather than a tax on people, when we know it’s a tax on people who hold these insurance plans.” Americans would not support a tax on individuals, so “We just tax the insurance companies, they pass on the higher prices . . . it ends up being the same thing.” The ruse, Gruber says, was “a very clever . . . basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the American voter.”
Obamacare is not health care; its Big Pharmaceuticals and Big Insurance who run these programs. Healthcare still is not affordable, nor has it improved.
neverfail wrote: In contrast to the likes of MacArthur and Patton who led with their balls.
Yes, and that is why they diminished after the war, because they knew what Allen Dulles was planning. I recommend an excellent book to you The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of the Secret Government, by David Talbot. It's in Amazon, read the reviews if you don't have the time. It has over 500 reviews and 75% give the book 5 stars.
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Re: MacArthur

Post by neverfail » Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:25 am

Booklady wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:30 pm
neverfail wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:56 pm
Washington, until darn old Trump came along, had chief executives who as a rule used their heads in deciding national (and international) policy.



:lol: :lol: :lol: No, no, no. They didn't use their heads, perhaps we would not be in this mess if some of them had. They were mainly owned by big, deep pockets, and it was their interests whose policies were put forward. That's how we have the Deep State. That's politics. Take the latest policy folly, Obamacare. It's not free, nor is it one payer, it's an insurance scam perpetrated on the middle class. Washington Post: Thanks to Jonathan Gruber for revealing Obamacare deception
Gruber explains that the Obama administration passed the so-called “Cadillac tax” on high-value employer health plans “by mislabeling it, calling it a tax on insurance plans rather than a tax on people, when we know it’s a tax on people who hold these insurance plans.” Americans would not support a tax on individuals, so “We just tax the insurance companies, they pass on the higher prices . . . it ends up being the same thing.” The ruse, Gruber says, was “a very clever . . . basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the American voter.”
Obamacare is not health care; its Big Pharmaceuticals and Big Insurance who run these programs. Healthcare still is not affordable, nor has it improved.
:? What does this have to do with the topic under discussion, Booklady? :?:

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Re: MacArthur

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:44 pm

Healthcare is helping sick people to get well. Nothing about the Affordable Care Act seems to serve that design or purpose. Foreign and fiscal policy should serve the national interest, not carve the carcass up and divide the spoils......

Let's look at that 'leader with balls', shall we? Does it serve our interests to take everything he says and does at face value? It's all well and good to call your handlers, "cowards, vacillating politicians and incompetents", but remember when you point a finger at someone three point back at you. Self deception cuts both ways and the biggest **** swinger may be a megalomaniac, narcissistic, blower of smoke up your arse. Hero worship like other condiments should be used..... judiciously.......'>........
Let's try this modelling exercise. Let's envision a world in a parallel universe somewhere let's say, where I'm right.........

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Re: MacArthur

Post by SteveFoerster » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:04 am

lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:44 pm
Healthcare is helping sick people to get well. Nothing about the Affordable Care Act seems to serve that design or purpose.
In part that's because the American national discourse uses health insurance as a proxy for healthcare, when it decidedly is not the same thing.
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Re: MacArthur

Post by Milo » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:41 am

For an interesting point of view of MacArthur see also Sterling Seagram's Gold Warriors. In part it posits an arrangement where MacArthur killed much of the war crimes investigation in Japan in return for a huge bribe.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n22/chalmers- ... ng-of-asia

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Re: MacArthur

Post by Jim the Moron » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:55 am

Milo wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:41 am
For an interesting point of view of MacArthur see also Sterling Seagram's Gold Warriors. In part it posits an arrangement where MacArthur killed much of the war crimes investigation in Japan in return for a huge bribe.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n22/chalmers- ... ng-of-asia
I wasn't aware of this fascinating bit of history. Just shows that the cynical US foreign policy establishment's manipulations aren't a recent phenomenon.

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Re: MacArthur

Post by neverfail » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:09 pm

Milo wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:41 am
For an interesting point of view of MacArthur see also Sterling Seagram's Gold Warriors. In part it posits an arrangement where MacArthur killed much of the war crimes investigation in Japan in return for a huge bribe.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n22/chalmers- ... ng-of-asia
Is there any evidence that MacArthur benefited from such a huge bribe - such as high living or the purchase of expensive real estate that could have not been accounted for by his income?

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